On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:12:17 -0700, Chambers wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Assuming that God wants the Mormon church corrected enough to ask you
>>> to do it, I would also expect Him to empower you to achieve that end.
>> 
>> Perhaps, though the struggle/journey may have benefit as well for the
>> long term.  That's the problem with trying to second-guess God's
>> motivations, too.  There may be a reason why he might put someone on a
>> collision course with the Church leadership that isn't apparent to
>> anyone.
> 
> Once you start trying to second guess an absent figure with no physical
> manifestation and no reliable means of communication, then you really
> need to take a break.

Well, I have discussions like this with my brother from time to time - 
his degree is in philosophy & religion.  "absent figure" might also be 
"nonexistent figure" for that matter. :-)

>> I was raised Lutheran myself, though - though I identify as
>> non-Christian now (I'd probably say mostly agnostic to be honest -
>> don't know if there's a God or not, don't really care, I guess I may
>> find out at some point.
> 
> Yeah, at this point I'd probably say I'm agnostic with atheist leanings.
>   Quite a change from my upbringing ;)

I bet it is. :-)

>> it seems likely that if there is a God, he may have defined the
>> parameters of the Universe (physics, for example) and set things in
>> motion.  But once the rules for how things interact in the universe
>> were set, they can't be changed.
> 
> The clockmaker theory, then?

Something like, yeah, if I understand correctly.

Jim

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