Chambers wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Chambers wrote:
>>> If you want to get into dietary restraints, the Jewish teachings are 
>>> much more restrictive.  All that stuff about not drinking caffeine is 
>>> BS.
>>
>> It's amazing how often the fallacy of "et tu" comes up in religious 
>> conversations.   "Your religion is broken."  "Well, theirs is broken 
>> worse, so that's OK."
> 
> Sorry, I should have been more clear: I was certainly pointing out that 
> Jewish dietary restrictions are more strict, but I was not claiming the 
> final "so that's OK."

OK. But it seemed you were avoiding answering the question by providing that 
comment instead of an actual answer.

(BTW, sorry if I came across sounding harsh. I let stuff get to me a bit 
personally yesterday.)

> I can see how that could make my position confusing, though, and I 
> should have been more clear.

OK. Altho I must say, if the teaching of the church is that all blacks are 
descendants of the first murderer and cannot be spiritually whole, it kind 
of throws a wrench into the McCain/Obama "vote whoever you feel best about" 
doctrine. :-)

> Yeah, that one surprised a lot of people at the time,

Funny. My understanding from other Mormons is that everyone at the time knew 
exactly why God had commanded that.  Namely, that Mrs Smith didn't like 
cleaning up when people missed the spittoon.

>> To masturbate? To be homosexual?
> Yes, those behaviors are prohibited.

Well, since that's the specific bit we're talking about, and it sounds like 
the church is giving specific instructions about what to do about that, I'm 
not sure why you're disagreeing with me.

> Because of things like that, the Church has had to specify: When the 
> Prophet stands at the podium, and says "Thus saith the Lord," then his 
> words are doctrine.  Everything else is personal opinion,

OK.

>> when he mentioned that homosexuality is unholy?

> What's wrong with saying that homosexuality is unholy?  Whether or not 
> you believe it is your decision, but it's one of the teachings of the 
> LDS Church, and they're unapologetic about it.

Sure. But then to say "but we won't tell you how to vote on the gay marriage 
bill" is being kind of disingenuous.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Insanity is a small city on the western
   border of the State of Mind.

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