On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:36:14 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I have many friends who are true believers. ...
>  >  they don't try to convince me that I'm wrong.
> 
> And often the true believers who don't try to convince you you're wrong
> are as "invisible" to such things as a quiet atheist. If they never talk
> about it, you never know if they're true believers, so they don't modify
> your "all believers are loud" experiences.

True, though I have had some fairly in-depth discussions with people who 
are true believers.  Generally that comes long after the friendship has 
been built, though - gotta have a certain amount of trust and respect 
before you start talking religious beliefs.

Which I think was part of Warp's point as his first (and maybe only) post 
in this thread.  This group has some fairly weak trust (and respect) at 
certain points, so religious discussions tend to get out of hand when 
those members who show a lack of trust/respect start the discussion or 
get involved in it.

Not saying that's good or bad, but just my observation of the way it is.  
Personally, I enjoy talking about the ideas with those who aren't 
threatened by such discussion.  It's when those whose beliefs are 
threatened by the discussion get involved that things get out of hand.

Jim

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