> Go back a little over 2,000 years and you will find people already 
> shooting holes in this idea that "god" has anything to do with piety, 
> love, or other such things. Even then "some" of them where able to 
> figure out that either god's ideas where arbitrary, and therefor 
> claiming that good came from them was absurd, or that good existed 
> without them, and therefor all the gods where really doing was stealing 
> it, then claiming that they made up the whole idea themselves. You are 
> not proving to anyone by such assertions that love, never mind justice, 
> or other similar concepts *only* exist do to any god, instead of all the 
> other "reasonable" explanations that exist, most of which can be pointed 
> out to exist in "any" social animal, simply because, well, its "social".
> 
> So, sorry, but if you are actually claiming that you "must" have a god 
> for love to exist somehow, and that good derives from that, then you 
> **are** in fact claiming on some level, that belief in something "godly" 
> makes you good, even if you are willing to waffle a lot more than most 
> theists about if you have to believe in Mr. Robes too.

Maybe there's some social reason that any mention of
God makes otherwise rational people angry and confrontational?
If you don't believe in God, why do you blame him for so much?
I really wasn't trying to prove anything.
I just figured AQ needs a hug.

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