Tim Attwood wrote:
> I didn't say that belief in God makes you good. I said that good
> people do good things, and that love motivates you to do good things.
> 
> The devil believes in God, why is it suprising that some evil people
> believe? They are motivated by wrath and lust, and when caught
> doing evil things they blame God, but they were doing what they wanted 
> to do. They have no love in thier hearts.

Go back a little over 2,000 years and you will find people already 
shooting holes in this idea that "god" has anything to do with piety, 
love, or other such things. Even then "some" of them where able to 
figure out that either god's ideas where arbitrary, and therefor 
claiming that good came from them was absurd, or that good existed 
without them, and therefor all the gods where really doing was stealing 
it, then claiming that they made up the whole idea themselves. You are 
not proving to anyone by such assertions that love, never mind justice, 
or other similar concepts *only* exist do to any god, instead of all the 
other "reasonable" explanations that exist, most of which can be pointed 
out to exist in "any" social animal, simply because, well, its "social".

So, sorry, but if you are actually claiming that you "must" have a god 
for love to exist somehow, and that good derives from that, then you 
**are** in fact claiming on some level, that belief in something "godly" 
makes you good, even if you are willing to waffle a lot more than most 
theists about if you have to believe in Mr. Robes too.
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   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
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