alphaQuad wrote:
> I have real hard time with religious teaching of someone who died on the cross

> I will be saved, and only by accepting Jesus as my Savior, blah blah blah.
> That's just more competition of many religions, "one and only true god" as it
> were. "If there weren't so many religions we'd have more paying sheep
> followers."
> 
> Now with second viewing of Passion of Christ, something I still find somewhat
> disturbing, I am more solid in my theory of the reality.
> 
> What if it WAS the plan to make a classic human mistake to show YOU what can
> happen? Mistakes equal consequences. But that's it, an example for you to
> ponder and POSSIBLY clue you in. No one is going to save you no matter how many
> Jesus' get nailed to the cross. It is really up to you. Willing to go through
> that experience for you, that you might have a better chance; "no greater
> love".
> 
The plan was to lump a lot of "popular" cults together into one, stage a 
fictional character, with a lot of fudging of details, to be the new 
"messiah" for the Jews that Rome was fighting at the time the Bible 
seems to actually have been written, then pull a Egyptian style take 
over, by claiming that the hero of the war was the "second coming", and 
that his father was the "God" he was the son of. One dating system used 
for the period, CE "Christian Era", places the Bible as written some 
time around 71-79CE, the war between 60-80CE, and the only "secondary" 
sources of confirmation of Jesus written by the "servant" of the first 
"official" Christians, who happened to be the heroes of the war, as 
written in 79CE, and a later addendum written in like 81CE, or 
something, this later one was added "after" both the "Emperor God" and 
the hero Titus where dead, a new family had moved into the rulership, 
and the only way for the Pope, who was also of the same family, and 
Josephus, their Jewish servant, to salvage anything, was to divorce 
their new "faith" from the myth of Titus and his father, claim that the 
second coming hadn't really happened yet, and hope they could keep their 
new found power.

Or, that is one interpretation anyway. It would "help" **a lot** if 
someone could find "anything" earlier than around 71CE that indicated 
the Bible wasn't written "at the same time" as these people where making 
a grab for both secular and spiritual rule, while coincidentally being 
the "first official Christians".

But, aside for that, there is the fact that people have uncovered, (and 
again, no evidence of earlier than 71CE though), the Gospel of Mary, and 
one from Judas, which drastically contradict both the claims of how the 
betrayal took place, and what it actually means to "find salvation". 
Hint: Its wasn't betrayal, and you can't be saved by just believing 
really really hard, and then not doing anything to make the world better.

Needless to say, after a "brief" bit of gnashing of teeth, and a few 
news reports, the very existence of these two documents got quietly 
swept under the carpet and religious people shut up about them, really 
fast. Not hard to work out why, since they contradict not one, but two, 
of the most strongly held assumptions by 90% of all Christians.

All in all, the claim that Christianity wasn't "invented", and it all 
really happened, is not unlike the claim that, "space aliens gave us the 
micro chip". You can't 100% disprove that the government didn't conspire 
to have the inventors of the transistor "reverse engineer" the 
technology, or what ever, and you can't "disprove" the existence of 
"any" kind of alien space craft, but, much like images of Jesus on 
toast, you tend to suspect that the "evidence" is a lot of people seeing 
things, but not having correct explanations, and until someone produces 
an actual object from, or ship, in some secret government base some 
place, the most reasonable explanation is, "Someone made it up to sell 
something, and a lot of other fools fell for it."

That said, if they hadn't "needed" to staple the OT onto it, as a means 
to pacify the Jewish people, who wanted Rome dead at the time, and the 
nut Paul, with his insanity induced revelations section, had been 
recognized as "actually nuts", we might have ended up with something 
halfway useful. Instead, we have something where, if you want the world 
to end, you can cherry pick the crazy bits from the crazy person, at the 
end, and if you want to justify death, mass murder, hating gays, blacks, 
Mexicans, or anyone else in the wrong "tribe", you can cherry pick bits 
of the OT to justify that too. Its a grab bag for everything from flower 
children to the next dominionist racist, who thinks the world would be 
better off without all of Cain's children running around on it (which 
ever color, race, country, political affiliation, or other random thing 
they decide to claim is a "sign" of being one of those).

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