>>> .NET comes with Windows nowadays.
> 
>> Oh, wait - you probably meant it comes with Vista.
> 
> That's pretty much what "nowadays" means, yes.

Does *anybody* use Vista yet? Still seems pretty rare.

> Sure, if you're running 
> an OS version that was released before .NET was, it makes it hard to 
> come with.

I thought maybe you were claiming that it was added by one of the 
service packs or something. (The Windows Firewall didn't exist before 
SP2, for example.)

>> The 25 to 30 minutes was just thrashing the HD back and forth.
> 
> You just like complaining, don't you? :-)

The Java runtime takes, like 2 minutes _maximum_ to install. Only the 
.NET framework takes 25 minutes.

>> In other words, it makes things easier for the developers, not the end 
>> users.
> 
> For both, really. Indeed, that's what the whole "one click" fiasco is 
> about. And you get less malware and unexplained lockups when the 
> software you're running is written in .NET, because it's checking for 
> buffer overruns and such.

Assuming there's no buffer overruns in the runtime engine itself. (I 
notice how as soon as I install .NET, a whole bunch of extra hotfixes 
show up as needing to be applied...)

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