nemesis wrote:
> The fact is that I don't care anymore.  Let Disney rewrite history and 
> Bird cite his own family inspirations for a plot that resembles so much 
> that of a mature comic book classic...

Sounds like *your* motivation is to call Bird a liar, not to publish facts.

If you really want to know, I didn't find any similarities between Watchmen 
and Incredibles. Now that you point it out, sure, there are some 
similarities, primarily the "superheros are disliked and outlawed." But that 
happens in a number of movies. Batman and Hancock and Star Trek and the 
Bible spring to mind.

Mysterious island is a kind of obvious place to put out-of-the-way evil for 
land-dwelling species. Citation: at least three or four Bond movies, for 
example, as well as King Kong.

Villain lies to people about danger in order to be a hero. "Mission 
Accomplished!"  Except in Watchmen he didn't lie in order to be a hero. The 
whole plot device wouldn't have worked if the villain was taken to be a hero 
because of what he did. In Watchmen he makes a truly dangerous thing in 
order to save the world without taking credit, while in Incredibles he makes 
a supposedly harmless thing in order to take the credit for defeating it.

That the evil device was also based on a squid isn't really surprising 
either. Gee, think Watchmen took the idea from Jules Verne?

If you're going to compare two plots, you have to compare all the major 
points, not just the ones that match.

Watchmen: there's a hunt for the bad guy. Incredibles: there isn't.
Watchmen: they're normal people. Incredibles: they aren't.
Watchmen: lots of internal moral conflict. Incredibles: little to none.
Watchmen: Rape. Incredibles: No rape.
Watchmen: Prison break.  Incredibles: No prison break.
Watchmen: Cancer.  Incredibles: No cancer.
Watchmen: Mars.  Incredibles: No mars.
Watchmen: Thermonuclear annihilation. Incredibles: No nuclear bombs.
Watchmen: Bad guy gets away with it. Incredibles: Bad guy gets caught.
Watchmen: No babies kidnapped.  Incredibles: Babies kidnapped.
Watchmen: Good guy main character has secret high tech.
       Incredibles: Bad guy main character has secret high tech.
Watchmen: Disfunctional families. Incredibles: Happily married families.
Watchmen: Good guy main character is insane psychopathic killer.
   Incredibles: No insane psychopathic killers.
Watchmen: Bad guy motivated by love for humanity.
   Incredibles: Bad guy motivated by hubris and vengeance.
Watchmen: Good guy motivated by fear.
   Incredibles: Good guy motivated by boredom.

To me, they seem like completely different movies, with different moods, 
morals, plots, motivations, and environments. I wouldn't have a problem 
believing that Incredibles wasn't particularly inspired by Watchmen. It's 
certainly not a retelling of the story in any sense.

I bet with enough work you could say that the Matrix has as many 
similarities to Incredibles as Watchmen does.

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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