On 28-1-2011 0:39, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>>> They're not. You have to click on the button that says "show me these
>>> options." At least in Vista.
>
>> And to answer your remark: no, the whole list of options is available
>> as a popup menu in the lower right.
>
> Yep. That would be the button now wouldn't it? ;-)

yep, that's the one I want deleted. And replaced by an intelligently 
designed UI. ;)
>
>> different from what I selected from the configuration menu.
>
> The tooltip (and even the icon) change depending on what the icon does.

So why does it say something different than the thing I selected? I have 
selected 'sluimerstand' (slumber) which is what you call 'hibernate' 
(save status to disk and power down), if I understand correctly. The 
button gives a tooltip for 'sleepmode' (keep in memory and reduce power).

>> Why put it in the power management control in the first place?
>
> It seems the obvious place to put configuration for what to do with
> power buttons. Where would you put it?

Anywhere on it's own. Not mixed up with something unrelated where I can 
only find it by a) knowing it must be there b) eleminating even less 
likely options

> In any case, what you're arguing is that the UI for selecting the right
> thing could be improved. Sure, no doubt. I was objecting to Joel's
> contention that the UI wasn't needed at all, because he himself only
> ever did one thing with the computer.

Not sure if that is so. But I would have to reread it to be sure.

>> blender didn't yet, I have lost hours of work by accidentally moving
>> my mouse when trying to put the machine to sleep while I was off to a
>> meeting).
>
> That's what the icon is for. :-)

That does not what I want apparently/possibly. I am mostly using the 
menu (that I want deleted) because I am not sure what the other buttons 
do. And because it changes behaviour if there is an update and when it 
does I definitely do not want to select it by accident, so I try not to 
get into the habit of using it. :(

>> You don't. You put the most commonly used one under the button and
>> allow easy temporary overrides. Right click on the button.
>
> Or, hey, maybe we could have *another* button nearby that pops up the
> list of other less-common operations you might want to perform!

No, that is an configuration option. Right click therefore. No new UI 
elements.

>> I am not sure if he wants just to clean up the interface or also
>> change the possible options. If the latter I disagree, but I fully
>> support him for the former.
>
> He clearly wants to eliminate options. He wants sleep, power, hibernate,
> and reboot to all be the same option, for example.
>
>> is a clear sign that it is not designed consistently.
>
> I disagree. You just never learned it properly in the first place. It's
> software. It *can* be any way you want. You have to learn the idioms.

Nope. I am using MS product for many years I normally understand what 
they mean. If I don't, I blame them. In this case for introducing too 
much, unnecessary and poorly defined new concepts and for hiring 
incompetent translators.

> I am a physicist, I cannot remember facts, but I won't
>> forget something that I understand.
>
> Then clearly you never understood it in the first place, right? :-)

right, that is what I said. I think it is mainly because there is too 
much inconsistent information.

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