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On 30-3-2010 0:30, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 28-3-2010 19:50, Darren New wrote:
>>> Argumentative religious people often seem to comment that science
>>> requires faith. Argumentative non-religious people say that's
>>> nonsense, since there is evidence. I contend that there are at least
>>> two things most scientists take on faith, without supporting evidence:
>>>
>>> 2) Humans aren't special.
>>
>> I think there is evidence for that. Almost nothing in modern medicine
>> or biology makes sense if we were special.
>
> How about the fact that the stars of the universe are all red-shifted
> the farther they get from *us*? Or the fact that we seem to be the only
> creatures in the entire *universe* that broadcast radio signals?
For the latter see the Drake equation.
> (I don't necessarily mean "special" in terms of biology-on-earth, but
> special in a more universal sense.)
>
> People don't say "the red shift shows everything is moving away from us"
> or "humans happen to live where time passes fastest in the universe."
> They say "the red shift shows everything is moving away from everything
> else."
We say that because we believe in Lorentz invariance.
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