On 30-3-2010 0:30, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 28-3-2010 19:50, Darren New wrote:
>>> Argumentative religious people often seem to comment that science 
>>> requires faith. Argumentative non-religious people say that's 
>>> nonsense, since there is evidence.  I contend that there are at least 
>>> two things most scientists take on faith, without supporting evidence:
>>>
>>> 2) Humans aren't special.
>>
>> I think there is evidence for that. Almost nothing in modern medicine 
>> or biology makes sense if we were special.
> 
> How about the fact that the stars of the universe are all red-shifted 
> the farther they get from *us*?  Or the fact that we seem to be the only 
> creatures in the entire *universe* that broadcast radio signals?

For the latter see the Drake equation.

> (I don't necessarily mean "special" in terms of biology-on-earth, but 
> special in a more universal sense.)
> 
> People don't say "the red shift shows everything is moving away from us" 
> or "humans happen to live where time passes fastest in the universe." 
> They say "the red shift shows everything is moving away from everything 
> else."

We say that because we believe in Lorentz invariance.

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