On 18-2-2010 18:56, Stephen wrote:
> Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:29:46 +0100, Stephen <mca### [at] aoldotcom> wrote:
>>> In judo there is a saying that the first person to take hold, wins.
>>
>>
http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2009/9/23/how-to-riff-on-an-idea.html 
>>
> 
> That was quick :-)
> 
> Yes a riff or as people with an education say "reductio ad absurdum" :-P
> But then the first move can instigate a counter move which if you know 
> that it is coming can open the opportunity for a counter-counter move 
> und so weiter.

There is that. Also you get penalized for not moving so 2 judo masters 
may both move a bit while keeping fully balanced continually.
If both are good enough for the arms race mentioned above you may even 
start some sort of complicated dance until one sees an opportunity he or 
she thinks the other one missed. (One of the reasons why I don't dance).
In big tournaments the whole idea of judo is perverted and mainly 
reduced to a fight who gets the best grip on the other persons jacket. 
(One of the reasons why I never compete in a tournament)

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