On 27-1-2010 22:14, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:58:09 -0500, Warp wrote:
> 
>> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>>> Warp wrote:
>>>>   Even if it's not technically called by the legal term "entrapment",
>>>>   I have
>>>> to still assume that it's illegal for a police officer to do that
>>>> (even if it's by some other legal term). Else it wouldn't make much
>>>> sense.
>>> I think in this particular case, MJ is supposed to be by prescription.
>>> So if the cop gives you a fake prescription and you fill it, then
>>> you're not guilty of selling weed. You're guilty of accepting a fake
>>> prescription, which is probably not illegal unless you knew it was
>>> fake.
>>   I'm talking about the cop, not about the person who commits the crime.
> 
> It's not illegal (in general, there are exceptions) for a cop to use 
> deception in a sting, investigation, or questioning.
> 
> That's why it is generally best when dealing with the police to say 
> nothing; 

One of the reasons some policeman here hate it when during an 
investigation they meet US citizens. They will often start acting as if 
this is the US. Saying nothing and demanding to see a lawyer when they 
just want to ask you something is not really helping the police here.

Sometimes even Dutch citizens that have watched too much US crime movies 
do the same.

> there's no requirement that if they say "we're not investigating 
> you" that they be telling the truth.  

That is the problem from the other side. For me this is an inconceivable 
idea. Here the police has to conform to higher standards than the 
general audience. Of course in under cover operations they might lie a 
bit not to blow the cover, but if it is wearing a uniform it won't lie. 
As simple as that.
If they do the case is closed and if it was a big lie, they get prosecuted.

BTW Did someone answer Warp's question already: can cops be prosecuted 
for 'entrapment'? (at least I think he wanted to know that)

> Cops are trained professionals, and 
> not just trained in physical skills, shooting, and the like - they also 
> have training in conducting questioning sessions and getting people to 
> say things they don't want to say.

Well, lying an torture are not part of the tools of a Dutch policeman, 
they often seen to be able to do their job regardless.

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