On 30-12-2009 9:02, Warp wrote:
> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> A few remarks: you mention "best technological innovations" this (and 
>> some of your other statements) imply that innovation is or can be good. 
>> This is an assumption not shared by everybody everywhere*.
> 
>   Thanks to innovations in medicine and technology people's life expectance
> and overall quality of life has increased significantly. Someone could oppose
> the idea, but that someone would be wrong.

I know that almost everybody wants themselves and their loved ones to 
live longer. That does not imply that all these people also think 
everybody should pass that time wearing digital watches.
There may be a gap between what is good for you and what is good for 
society. People running a country (or church) have to think about such 
issues. And as they in general have control of the media they will be 
able to convince a group of people. They may even be right sometimes.

>   (And for some reason when speaking about innovation and progress in
> capitalist countries, many people only think about the huge gap between
> rich and poor people... in the United States. There are other capitalist
> countries in this world besides the United States, you know. 

Yes I know, why do you ask?

> 
>> OTOH pure capitalism does not work either.
> 
>   I think that with the word "pure" you are implying that there's zero
> governmental control. I think that's an unfair assumption.
> 
>   No economic system (or, more generally, any form of society with a
> significant amount of people) can work without governmental control (because
> of the nature of humans). Governmental control can always be implied.

That is what I said, yes. The reason I brought it up is that there are 
people that will refer to any government control as 'socialism'.

> Thus I think it's unfair to say that "pure"
> capitalism doesn't work, as if only capitalism could be "pure" in the
> sense of no-governmental-control.

Hmm, not sure if you would win a logical contest with that, but I 
understand what you mean. Or actually I don't. What type of economical 
system do you know that preaches absence of government control, other 
than extremist capitalism?

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