Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>> People doing change-on-the-fly editing using pipes might say that it's
>>> noobs who use crutches like vim or emacs.
>> Batch editing with pipes and sed has no place in today's fast-paced
>> interactive programming.  
> 
> Oh, I don't know about that.  I had to process a couple hundred e-mail 
> messages, generate PDFs of the contents, and re-send them to myself.  
> Easiest way was to export the messages to a text file and run them 
> through a few awk scripts - using pipes.  Fed the results into another 
> awk script that mailed the stuff back to me.

That's scripting useful tasks, but I probably got the wording ambiguous 
enough so many people replied about the same as you.  Sure scripting is 
useful programming, but by "interactive programming" I meant using 
proper interactive editing tools to *edit program source code*, not awk, 
sed, ed and pipes cause that surely is insane.

>> I don't think so.  The day I can select and copy one long SQL select
>> query with a mouse just as easily as y} or go back after a search to the
>> exact point I was 700 lines above with Ctrl+o is the day I'll eat my
>> underwear. :)
> 
> There again, you're framing it in terms of your experience.  I'm talking 
> about from someone else's POV.  That's much harder to judge for most 
> people because they're not used to standing in someone else's shoes and 
> saying that the other POV might have a point.

It's not from my experience at all, not hard to judge for other people.

I mean, surely being able to select and copy a whole block of text with 
y} is just as easy and straightforward to me as is to Joe Sixpack who've 
never seen vim before but whom I've just showed how to do it so he can 
benefit?

Moving the mouse to start point, then scanning down the text with the 
both eyes and hands for end point and pressing shift as you click it 
then copying involves 3 time-consuming analogic and imprecise steps that 
simply don't appear when you just want to say "copy block", which is 
what y} just means.  Before the guy even gets to the mouse, I'm done 
already with copying that 100-lines block of text.

Joe Sixpack can do that too, if only he learns the basics.  There's no 
way otherwise with mouse-based solutions... plus, after you copy the 
text with the mouse, the cursor is left away from the original position. 
  Not in vim.

> Oh, I don't think so - he's quite adept with the tools he uses, both on 
> Windows and on Linux.  Just because he doesn't do things the way you and 
> I do doesn't mean he's missing out - he might say the same about us 
> because we are "stuck in our old ways of doing things". ;-)

Ok, kid, now just turn away before your uncle gets back. ;)

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