Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>>>> I'm biased against ugly languages that are a pile of hacks to fix flaws in 
>>>> other hacks.
>>>   At least you dare to admit it.
> 
>> Sure. I've never hesitated to express my dislike of hacks, even when I 
>> recognise them as necessary hacks.
> 
>   I said that "at least you admit that you are biased". I didn't say that
> "at least you admit you dislike something". But of course you seem quite
> fluent at twisting things.

Sure. I'm biased against ugly half-ass hacks. I never disputed that. :-)

If the ugly half-ass hacks let you do something you couldn't otherwise do, 
that's a redeeming feature. That was why I brought up Python - their ugly 
half-ass hacks let you do things you can't easily do without them, hooking 
into the bowels of the scope/name resolution at runtime. It's hacky and I 
can't help but believe inefficient, but it lets you implement things you 
couldn't otherwise implement easily.

That's why I asked why a lambda in C++ is better than just coding the body 
in the for loop - I don't see that it gains you anything, and I was 
wondering what you'd code differently.

>   You are being an unusually bad jerk in this thread for some reason. Not
> your usual self. I'm curious what prompted your sudden holy war now.
> Bad day?

Heh. Sorry if I'm coming across strong. I'm having a good day actually. And 
I honestly appreciate you asking. And yea, ok, the "grow up already" 
statement was probably unnecessarily harsh. I was a little peeved that you'd 
take a perfectly reasonable question and attribute malice to it.

I think it might be that (1) this is the first time I've bashed C++ since I 
actually sat down and learned it in detail, so it has been a number of weeks 
or months, and (2) you're accusing me of being prejudiced without apparently 
accusing me of being wrong.  I don't have to know the details of how C++ 
implements lambdas to know they're not going to add GC to C++ in order to 
support them, yes?

I 100% honestly think you're taking things personally that aren't being 
personally directed at you. I haven't said you're foolish to use C++ or 
anything else directed at you.  I simply said C++ sucks in certain ways, and 
it seems counter-intuitive to me why people as smart as those standardizing 
C++ would add features like lambdas with no obvious benefit compared to the 
pitfalls you have to avoid when you use them.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   My fortune cookie said, "You will soon be
   unable to read this, even at arm's length."

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