> Ahh, Audi takes more time, it lets the slide start but then crunches the
> car back to line.

I would estimate that mine lets the rear wheels slide about 30-50 cm 
sideways, then it pulls it back in line, it usually happens so fast on 
snow/ice that it's hard to tell what's going on.

> BMW?

Yep 120d so the turbo makes the power a bit on/off with the throttle, a 
petrol would be better for controlling the power IMO.  Also if I just tap 
the ESP-disable button (rather than hold it down for a few seconds) it puts 
it into some kind of 50% help mode, maybe that will let you have more fun 
but still stop you from losing control completely, IDK, maybe I will try it 
again when we have some more snow on the roads.

> I don't even need to brake with the engine - if I have too much speed
> for a corner, keep the throttle steady and turn quickly, car goes
> straight ahead and ESP does nothing.

Mine seems to correct understeer too, which is quite handy when driving a 
bit faster than you should be on snow :-)  - I saw the tyre tracks of where 
someone else had gone off onto the grass and thought I was going there too 
for a moment :-)

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