> And if you'd had ESP, it should've braked for you (with just left
> wheels, to make the car turn) ;).

It's funny when my car does this, if you leave all the ESP stuff turned on 
and then try to fishtail the car after approx 0.1 seconds of sliding you can 
feel it pull on the brake on just one wheel that gets the car back in shape.

> For some reason (dunno why) Audi's
> (tested with B7 and B8 A4's) don't seem to do this - if you turn the
> wheels too quickly on ice and slide forwards without turning, the ESP
> won't realize it and does nothing.

My changing-down-on-ice experiments were exactly to see if the ESP system 
could cope with it, but alas it couldn't and I just slid with a wiggly back 
end until it gripped again.  I guess the ESP programmers didn't include a 
function to blip the throttle if it detected engine braking was locking the 
rear wheels :-)

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