On 3-2-2009 23:07, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> We know that God did survive,
> 
> Do we?
well 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.' implies 
that He was there before the big bang. He is still here, so He survived. 
(All from the perspective of someone that believes God exists of course).
> 
>> so why not another form of life?
> 
> Because God isn't a form of life?

That is an interesting position.

>> Did I see a slight move in position from you trying to prove that life 
>> must have started sometime after the universe was created to either 
>> that or macroevolution must exist?
> 
> Errr, no. Unless you want to believe that all species of life on Earth 
> actually existed within moments of the Big Bang, back when the universe 
> was literally too small to hole even a single Elephant, then 
> macroevolution must have occurred if God created all life at the start 
> of the universe.

I was merely pointing out that you now have two options. Either life 
always existed and we have macroevolution or life was created later and 
we may not have that. And that that is a problematic position. Not 
because of the people with a scientific background that agree with your 
POV but for the others that you call clueless but are in fact very 
clever in breaking all rules of a normal discussion.

>> this 1 second card will almost certainly let you lose the game.
> 
> Only to clueless people.   It seems to me that the evidence is 
> sufficiently overwhelming that anyone who doesn't already believe that 
> evolution occurs isn't going to be swayed by mere scientific evidence. 
> There are already too many people trying to show scientific evidence of 
> their faith-based beliefs that it's senseless to actually argue it with 
> the intent of winning.
>

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