Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Saul Luizaga wrote:
>>> Free will. 
>>
>> Just so you know, that's a very pat answer. Perhaps you should think 
>> about this more deeply, and give a response (if only to yourself) that 
>> actually makes a little more sense.
>>
>> Would "free will" be the same answer as to why people pray to be cured 
>> of prostate cancer but not be mad at God that they got cancer in the 
>> first place? If so, what decision did they make that gave them cancer 
>> of their own free will?
>>
> I should think it more deeply? are you sure is not the other way around?

Yep. I already thought about it deeply and have come to my own conclusions.

> Cancer and other stuff is part of Nature, how it works.

I thought nature works how God wants it to work?

I'm just confused how "free will" comes into your child being pinned under a 
car. I don't think any child says "This morning, I choose to get pinned 
under a locked car."  Where does "free will" come into the situation?

I mean, it was "miraculous" that everyone got off the plane in the river 
alive, but it wasn't "miraculous" that the plane crashed in the first place? 
It was "free will" that the plane crashed?

> God leaves nature alone until He see fir to intervene,

How do you know?

> this is what 
> theists/religious people have deducted (nobody can't tell how God thinks 
> or act, we deduct from facts attributed to Him/Her/It) over time.

This is the bit I don't follow. You "attribute" facts to God? Isn't it, 
therefore, the people attributing those facts that determine how God 
behaves, and not God itself?

Notice how any time you actually *measure* the facts attributed to God, God 
fails to manifest?  It's only when you look after the fact, and say "might 
God have done this, knowing what we know about what we think of God?" and 
then the answer comes out?

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.

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