nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> Ok, bad joke asides, hermaphrodites are special cases.
>> And the answer to them is...?  :)
>>
>> I mean, that's the point, isn't it? The Bible doesn't special-case them, so
>> on what grounds do you make your decision, if you're denying gay marriage on
>> the grounds that God only creates unambiguously men and women?
> 
> Most gays are not hermaphrodites.
> 
> And I'm not denying gay marriage.  Go, live happily in their nature denial.
> 
Nemesis, simple reality, "gay" exists in all species over a certain 
level of complexity, including deer, dogs, cats, and penguins, etc. 
Every time someone mentions "denying nature" I know they have a weak 
grasp of the science of sexual selection, and are just "assuming" that 
there is some magic part of human (or other animals) natures that are 
somehow devoid of errors, flaws, deviation, or genetic influence. There 
are perfectly *valid* reasons why nature produces such things, including 
in **humans**. In humans, for example, there are clear indications that 
over-production of offspring is countered *directly* by the change in 
hormone levels in *each* pregnancy, which causes a direct and observable 
correlation with how likely it is that the "next" kid they have will be 
homosexual. Its not the only factor, but it seems to be a "strong" 
influence on the odds of them developing same sex attractions.

Another similar issue was found in deer populations, where it was found 
that aggressive females tended to mate less, and successfully raise 
"fewer" offspring, while passive males also mated less, but since male 
and female is "entirely" a result of a few missing genes, which *causes* 
a female body to "morph" into male during development, its functionally 
impossible to produce a species to produce all aggressive males and all 
passive females, instead of constantly trading off between the two, with 
inevitable outsiders, which range from "not quite as male or female as 
optimal", to, "so completely the wrong way around they don't produce 
'any' offspring."

Sexuality is a spectrum, which evolved to "try" to keep most people in 
the middle ground, where the tendency is to be 90% attracted to the 
opposite sex, but where mechanisms also "co-evolved" to limit over 
population, by "lowering" the odds of a viable male or female, if the 
female bearing the offspring produces too large of a population. You get 
someone that is the 8th child, who is mostly ignored and not constantly 
forced to be the right "sex", and *also" by chance happens to land in 
the category of having a too "female" a mind (i.e., like the over 
passive male deer), and your odds of them turning out "normal" just went 
from 98% to like 10%. Still possible, but only by, in that case, 
fighting an uphill battle with a sex drive that keeps telling them that 
they like males 90%, and women 10%, instead of the other way around.

Point is, nature doesn't produce "all male" or "all female" in anything 
much more complex than a moth, and I am not even sure those wouldn't 
exhibit some of the same sort of unstable trait drift (to maintain 
different behavior models for males and females) and population 
controls, which generates homosexual behavior in mammals. You simply 
can't use the same blueprint for 99% of the entire animal, which 
included 99% of what makes it "act" like such an animal, in the most 
general sense, they expect the other 1%, which has to define body form, 
differences in physical function, etc., to also "perfectly" designate 
psychological differences between sexes (despite its total inability to 
get the first part right and "always" get the shape right either).

And, with all due respect, Hermaphrodites have *tended* to have people 
choose "for them" based on how close they where to one or the other, and 
not on their actual DNA. It still, unfortunately, happens in some cases 
like that today, when we should know better. So, if they do end up one 
sex or the other, they may still end up the *wrong* one for their DNA, 
the *wrong* one for their sexual preferences, or *both*.

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