gregjohn wrote:
> I think that I have a problem with the presuppositions here.

[snip]

> As a Christian, I don't find that line of argument very convincing at all, I
> might "disbelieve" a religion that was accurately described by the analogy.

I'm pretty sure that "believing in Jesus" is required to get you into heaven 
in most evangelical christian religions.

In any case, the point I was making is that if you don't believe in free 
will, it's not up to you whether you "believe" or "disbelieve", or whether 
you feel the "conviction of sin."

It's like calling a religion "unjust" if you are punished because you chose 
to be born female.

The very fact that anyone feels it's useful to argue about religion means 
they feel your religion is a choice. That when it's time to decide whether 
you "accept jesus as your personal savior" or "accept that Mohamed is his 
prophet", that it's actually a choice and not completely predestined. If you 
could no more "choose" to believe in Jesus than you could to disbelieve in 
gravity, there's not a whole lot of point in discussing whether you should 
or shouldn't believe in a particular religion. *That* was the kind of belief 
I was talking about w.r.t. "free will."

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.

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