somebody wrote:
> How "free" a will depends on how ignorant we are of the process.

Yes.

> As to the first cause argument, one can simply note that human will is not
> enough to create anything out of nothing, much less a universe.

It creates evil and sin, apparently. :-)

> as well, as in: "everthing except human will has a cause", followed by
> "human will is not enough to create a universe", both of which seem
> reasonable from a distance, so that the first cause argument remains
> "intact".

Reasonable but equally unsubstantiated, yes. :-)

> The bottomline is, despite what the likes of Anselm, Aquinas, Pascal.. etc
> attempted, religion has little to do with logic or reason. One can always
> tailor the "axioms" to fit the agenda.

Certainly. Thanks for your thoughts. :-)

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.

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