On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:54:20 +0100, Phil Cook wrote:

>> the manufacturer of the tool for not including a warning that says
>> "WARNING: Screwdrivers have pointy bits; do not stick them in your eye,
>> or you are likely to be injured!".
> 
> I think they just cover that with "Do not use this item for any purpose
> other than for which it is designed to be used" ;-)

Oh, I don't know that that's sufficient.  At least here in the US, it 
still has to be somebody's *fault*.

>> So we have to have all these forms and whatnot that are used to
>> disclaim responsibility.
> 
> But who or what is driving that, oh wait it's partially this \/ guy
> isn't it...

Yep.  But it's still someone else's fault.

>> Because he fell off a *ladder* that *he* was using improperly, and he'd
>> been trained was improper use (and he even admitted he knew he was
>> using it wrong).
> 
> Read about a similar (if not this) case, my dad was "Well what was he
> doing up a ladder that didn't have non-slip points and was unsupported
> at the base by a colleague?" yeah he'd just been on a H&S course. I
> think in this case the guy argued that he'd pointed out the faults, but
> was told to do the job anyway. Heh if he'd refused and got fired I bet
> he'd get less compensation then for being a loyal idiot.

Possibly, it's hard to summarise a complex story in about 6 lines of 
text. :-)

>> Except that the student actually *needs* the medication in order to
>> *live*.  I'm not talking something like being able to tell aspirin from
>> cocaine
> 
> Yeah but I bet ZT has fallen on that too.

I'm almost sure it has.

>> - but things like insulin for diabetic students.  Apparently they're
>> supposed to get insulin injections without using a syringe because the
>> teachers can't tell the difference between a diabetic student taking
>> necessary medication and a heroin junkie shooting up in the hallway.
> 
> Easy, if the person shooting up rolls their eyes back into their head
> and gains a big grin on their faces I don't think it's insulin.

Yeah, but that requires thinking on the part of the school 
administration, and we can't have *that* going on in our schools....

But there's also (in some schools) a double-standard.  Students have ZT 
applied to them, but let a staffer do something that is a *fireable* 
offense and those same non-thinking administration people are willing to 
overlook it.

Jim

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