"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
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> Gail Shaw wrote:
> > What you have there is a perpetual motion machine. Physically impossible
>
> Not necessarily. But highly improbable at the macroscopic level.
>
> Apparently there are some quantum effects ("zero energy point") that
> could actually maybe be used for this sort of thing. I didn't believe it
> until a theoretical physicist told me yeah, maybe you could, because
> thermodynamics doesn't apply to virtual particles.

I've read some of the discussions. Thing with the virtual particles - how do
you make them real. Only way I know of is a black hole, and they don't make
good pets.

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