> actually quite keen... until I drove it. No matter how hard you boot it, 
> it JUST WON'T MOVE! Huge 2 liter engine, and it goes slower than my old 
> 1.1 L Ford... WTF?

I have a 1.9 Astra at the moment and I hate it (I didn't have any choice in 
the matter).  A) the turbo-lag is so bad that it's dangerous sometimes, you 
put your foot down and nothing happens for at least 1 second, *then* it 
goes.  B) You cannot turn off the really agressive traction control, so you 
are going round a bend and suddenly it cuts the power for a second or two, 
C) it's front wheel drive D) all the controls feel like they are connected 
to jelly.  I can't wait until I get the replacement.

>> A brand new small car can be bought in the 7000-9000 pounds range (eg 
>> Peugeot 107/207 type car).  For 25,000 you'd be able to get a pretty fast 
>> luxury family car.
>
> I doubt it - the "luxury cars" they show you on Top Gear all cost a damn 


They are getting on for supercars, like Aston Martins, Porsches and 
Ferraris, certainly not family cars.  I'm talking about cars like a BMW 320, 
Audi A4 etc, Mercedes C Class, all would be looked upon as a luxury family 
car and cost about 25k (compared to say a basic Ford Mondeo or Peugeot 407 
which can be had for around 15000 pounds).  You can even get a brand new 
Porsche for 33k.


> perfectly reasonable price. In fact, he seemed to think it was a pretty 
> damn good deal. And he's owned a hell of a lot of cars...

Oh yeh, I wasn't disputing whether it was a good deal or not, just that you 
can buy a perfectly decent brand new car for under 10k, a basic family car 
for 15k, and a fast luxury family car for 25k.

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