andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> >   You asked for some reference to the 60% figure. 
> no I didn't.

  I got confused.

> > Well, let me ask you for some reference of that point of view you are 
>  > expressing.
> books and newspaper sources in the Netherlands plus some talking to 
> foreigners. Does that answer your question?

  If newspapers in Netherlands have the same policies as in Sweden, hardly.

> In most cases only the better educated have any change of a successful 
> entry in europe.

  I wish that was the case. It certainly doesn't seem so.

> Most groups first try to integrate when the numbers are low. When they 
> feel they are considered a lower type of people and the numbers increase 
> they turn into themselves.

  IMO that feeling is mostly a self-perpetuating myth. As new immigrants
arrive, they are told this myth and they believe it, and they start hating
the hosting culture right from the beginning. Also the children born to
the immigrants are told this myth and they grow up hating the hosting
culture. (For example in Sweden this phenomenon has gone so far that there's
a general attitude among immigrant youth that they must destroy swedes.)

  Sure, there *are* racists, but saying that the general population is
racist is like saying the general population are murderers and thieves
because there are *some* people who are murderers or thieves.

  Keeping up this myth is not going to solve immigration problems.
The irony is that passing more and more laws criminalizing slighter and
slighter cases of "racism" is only perpetuating the myth ("why would
they pass these laws if there was no widespread problem of racism?").

  And the sad thing is that these laws are not the same for everyone.
There's no racist element in a black man committing an act of violence
towards a white man. However, there always is a racist element in a white
man committing an act of violence towards a black man.

> >   You are misunderstanding. 
> No, your tone and your subject choice may be interpreted as aggressive 
> towards immigrants. I know that if I were an immigrant I would be 
> annoyed by it. That is irrespective of your intentions.

  Yes, if a message can be interpreted in more than one way, the most
negative interpretation should always be assumed. That's the right
attitude which will bring friendship and peace to the world.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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