Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:42:12 -0000, Alain
> <ele### [at] netscapenet> did spake, saying:
> 
>> Phil Cook nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/13 04:08:
>>> And lo on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:34:54 -0000, nemesis
>>> <nam### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
>>>
>>>> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>>> So either God's a 'Worship Me or I'll beat you up' bully or a 'I'll
>>>>> help
>>>>> the tribe who showers Me with the most faith' mercenary (or both)?
>>>>
>>>> Faith, love, respect and fear are to be expected from those who
>>>> devote their lifes to God's will.
>>>  Except I'd put faith and love, and respect and fear in two entirely
>>> seperate categories otherwise we end up with the conclusions that...
>>>
>> Respect and fear realy don't deserve to be grouped. Apparent respect
>> comming from fear is no respect at all, as it soon become obvious as
>> soon as the fear aspect fades, apparent respect mutate into hate. True
>> respect comes from understanding. True respect breed more respect, and
>> reduce fear.
>> Respect can be paired with love, as both can grow without the presence
>> of the other, and both can lead to the other.
>> So, you can have "faith", love and respect on one side, and fear and
>> hate on the other side.
> 
> I failed to explain well. Faith and love are intangibles "Why do you
> love X?", "Why do you have faith in Y?" they're both something you can't
> really answer - you just do. Fear and respect have answers "I respect X
> because he's proven himself" "I fear Y because I've seen what he can
> do". You don't just fear or respect someone or something (experiments
> with spider pictures notwithstanding).
> 
>> A very simple principle:
>> Do unto others as you'd like other to do unto you.
>> It can replace any religion, and a great many laws. It can be used as
>> a reference to diferensate between "good" and "evil".
> 
> Um I'm a sado-masochist (no I'm not really) who gets off on pain
> therefore I should go around hurting people because that's what I'd want
> them to do to me?
> 

Curses, you beat me to that! Although, if you were a sado-masochist you
might get other people to hurt you, too. At least then it would be equal.

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