nemesis nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/12 06:12:
> Sabrina Kilian <"ykgp at vtSPAM.edu"> wrote:
>> In other words, if God is omnipotent and omniscient, why does his
>> planning suck?
> 
> His planning doesn't suck.  How can you say that when you don't even know it?
> 
>> If Evil is outside of God's control, then God is not omnipotent. If he
>> simply does not stop evil, but allows it to happen when he could act to
>> stop it, then he is not Good. And if he can not interact with us to stop
>> it, then why get upset that some people choose not to believe in
>> something that can not even interact with this existence?
> 
> enough with Epicurus.  He didn't knew God's plans either.  He presumes life =
> good, death = bad; which is not necessarily right in all cases.  I'm not saying
> this as justification for genocides committed by men's hands, but applying it to
> tragedies out of men's control.  Also, it may take time,  but justice is
> eventually made.  Epicurus talked as if suffering was continuous on the same
> victims no matter what and the criminous was allowed a life of happiness
> thereafter.  Most criminous against humanity have had some terrible deaths or
> tragedies in their families or mental illness in the last days or whatever.
> Hitler suicided,  his partner Goebbels killed his 6 children and suicided,
> Saddam saw his 2 sons die and then was eventually executed.  God directly
> influences this world via men's actions too.
Suicide is self inflicted punishment, "God" have nothing to do.
Most criminals against humanity started with some sort of mental illness, so a 
mental illness in the end of ther lives is normal. Still no "godly" 
interventions here.
Most of those tragedies are: 1 self inflicted, or 2 the doing of some peoples.
Sadam's childs death was purely human caused. Still NO "godly" influences.
> 
> Besides, non-believers will say miracles such as healing due to prayer are
> actually a matter of chance, so I don't see the relevance of them trying to
> find proof of God's interactions in the world when every said interaction can
> be ultimately traced to quantum fluctuations, which IMO is precisely God's way
> of interacting with the physical world...
> 
> 
Statistics show that when you tell someone at the ospital that you will pray for 
him to help him get better, his chances of dying actualy INCREASE!

As I sayd before: those who WANT to place "God" interventions will grasp at just 
about any straw to prove ther point, even at illusionary straws... If needed, 
they will twist some facts, obliterate others and invent a few.

-- 
Alain
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