nemesis nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/11 20:51:
> Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
>> Science replaced religion all the time, you people just keep moving the
>> goal posts and insisting that, "Well, even if we now know X, we don't
>> know Y and God is hiding under Y."
> 
> God is not hiding under X or Y, it's everywhere for people with eyes to see and
> ears to hear.
I have eyes to see and ears to hear and I've NEVER ever saw anything supporting 
any "God".
> 
>> And, just to be clear religion is bad because it derails discovery and
>> promotes dogma, which, as has already been mentioned, **is not allowed**
>> to be questioned.
> 
> Discovery and technological progress is made outside of religion, let religious
> dogmas alone for believers.  It's not like one isn't allowed to question, just
> that said questioning is moot, since it's a matter of faith.
> 
Dogma refute anything that's not concordent with it's dictates. You can't count 
the times when religions and dogma suppressed discoveries and technological 
progress. You can't count because there are to many cases! That's not counting 
all the cases when dogma have perverted discoveries and technological progress.
>> When the first versions of the Bible where published
>> in English, it caused paranoia, fear and fundamentalism, since it
>> demanded that everyone accept *all* of its contents as literally true,
>> by its own definitions, and people where so scared of getting it wrong
>> that they where willing to kill people to force them to follow it.
> 
> "God writes right by twisted lines."
> 
> You'd be more accurate, though, to say that many people have died as result of
> fanatism of all kinds:  patriotic fanatism, political fanatism, racial
> fanatism.    Why stop at religious fanatism?  Besides, the Crusades had mainly
> economical motives, not religious.
Religious fanatism is by far the worst kind.
> 
> It's well known how those in power corrupt weaker minds by any means they can
> get.  This includes religion, of course.  It's a powerful thing because you can
> make people willing to die for salvation to perform terrible acts.  So, yes, the
> Catholic Church as an extension for Rome imperialism really committed several
> acts that go against anything Christ ever taught.  This does not invalidate His
> teachings and guidance, nor God's covenant with the Hebrews.  We're humans,
> bound to sin and to misinterpret things due to our bias.
> 
> still, by blood, suffering and death has Christ made a new covenant for us with
> God.  A similar fate awaited early for those while the religion spread like
> wild fire.  you know, "no pain, no gain".
> 
> Wasn't it for the Roman Empire and their will to conquer, Christianity would not
> be as widespread and many more people would never have heard of the Gospel and
> the salvation... evil, it seems, is not without purpose.
> 
> Someone asked before what would make me lose my faith, or something.  Well, it'd
> be to know for sure that Christ didn't exist; that he was a fraud invented by a
> group of hellenic israelites to fit existing prophecies; that his marvelous
> quotes and moral quidance are product of poetic and moral inspiration rather
> than divine inspiration; that he didn't die for us since he never existed; that
> the whole OT is just retro-writing and folk tales.  It all seem very likely and
> even logical.  Certainly a sure-bet from the non-believer's point-of-view.
> 
>> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/SIMBUR.html
> 
> nice, thanks.
> 
> 
History show that as culture and education flourish, religion wither. Religion 
is only a crutch to try to understand the world around the uncultivated, and a 
shackle for the cultivated peoples.


-- 
Alain
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You know you've been raytracing too long when you try to compress a mandelbrot 
landscape made of spheres just to 4 lines of pov code.
Warp

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