On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:58:27 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> That said, I bloody well hope Darren isn't looking for "proof", just
> evidence. ***Any*** evidence, that doesn't add unneeded complications,

Some would say (and have said to me in this debate in the past) that the 
evidence is all around us.  That the creation of humans is so remotely 
unlikely that it must have taken a creator.  (The common statement made 
is "does not a watch imply a watchmaker?").  To that way of thinking, the 
fact that we're here to question the existence of God is sufficient 
evidence that there is a God, because the chances of anything existing 
that could do so are mind-numbingly remote.

Not saying I agree with that idea, but that's the counter argument that 
I've run into in the past myself.

Jim

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