>> And I'm not sure how you would do a whole bunch of simple things 
>> *without* such objects.
> 
>   Exactly like hundreds of programming languages do.

OK, well how would you build (say) a linked list structure if the new 
node goes out of scope as soon as you get to the end of the function 
that creates it and adds it to the list?

>> I have no idea why after all these years people still think reference 
>> counting is a good idea. It's so trivial to find an example where it 
>> utterly fails...
> 
>   Care to give this trivial example?

OK, how about a double-linked list?

Every node (except the end ones) always has 2 other nodes pointing to 
it. Hence the reference count will never reach zero. QED.

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