>>>
>>>People are rude me, I respond in kind. Seems we are all in breach of
>>>that rather vague AUP.
>>
>>That again is not true, you responded rude to various people that
>>were not rude to you. May be you though that they were rude, but
>>more often than not _I_ could not see it. For me most of your
>>attacks came totally out of the blue.
> 
> 
> You obviously are missing the full context. I suggest you re-read the
> thread and you will see this did not appear out-of-the-blue.
Sorry to disappoint you, the world is a better place than you
think it is. Most of it is still out of the blue for me. You
have been attacking people who made totally innocent remarkt.
Either you or me has a totally distorted view of the world.
> 
>>>
>>>Talk about trolling. 
>>
>>You seem to have a totally different idea about what trolling
>>is than I do. Previous experience tells me that any discussion
>>about this is therefore senseless.
> 
> 
> That's why people debate, because of differences!
Sometimes. But if the problem is in definition of a
certain term, my experience is that any discussion is
pointless untill you agree on the meaning of a term.
Below we have another fine example.
> 
>>>Are you trying to get me into trouble?
>>
>>On the contrary I was trying to keep you from getting into
>>trouble, by anticipating the kind of remarks you normally
>>make. (I can guess some possible replies, but I leave it to
>>you this time to restrain yourself).
> 
> 
> Strange how you did not get the replies you wanted though, isn't it?
No, and I do not understand this remark. It feels as if you
try to imply that I wanted you react in a certain way. That
is precisely what I did not wanted. Believe me, I mean what
I say, without any hidden agendas. Basically I am just a naive
guy who thinks the world is full of nice people and treats everybody
as if they are. You will be surprised at the number of times I
have been disappointed in others (my best estimate would be
3-5 times in my entire live, but I may be just lucky with
my friends, relatives, and coworkers).
> 
> 
>>>>Is there a place where I can register a formal complaint?
>>>
>>>
>>>Please, put me in your killfile and be done with it.
> 
> 
>>No that won't work, I will still see the replies of others.
>>Actually, until today I even did not know I could move
>>someone into a killfile and I only searched because
>>someone in a tread polluted with your rude remarks
>>mentioned the term. In all those 20+ years I have been
>>on the internet (or comparable) I never ever met someone
>>that made such a thing necessary. (I can guess some
>>possible replies, but I leave it to you this time to
>>restrain yourself)
> 
> 
> For 20 years and you never knew about a killfile? Interesting.
Yip. Never needed it before.

> PS. Again, sorry to disappoint. Learn to have your expectations
> disappointed when debating with me.
<sigh> I don't see why. Unless you really mean that whatever
I (or anybody else) say, you will be rude as you see fit.
Otherwise I really do not see why we can not have a
civilized discussion.
> 
>>No for another reason, I still hope you tone down and behave
>>like a decent fellow human being. I have seen some of your
>>work (though not all the latest, because for reasons entirely
>>my own, I will not install new software on the machine I
>>use to read the news with) and I think your work is of high
>>quality and an inspiration for others. I just hope that
>>you do something about that temper of yours. If I may be so
>>bold to do a suggestion: whenever you feel personally
>>attacked by an e-mail. Leave it for a day, reread it when
>>you are completely rested and if you still feel angry,
>>express that you felt attacked and do not immediately
>>retaliate. I guarantee you that in 90+% of all cases
>>it was never the intention to launch a personal attack.
> 
> 
> I doubt it. Time would not have corrected what had happened. The
> offense would still have been present - no doubt compounded by
> people's jocular remarks on top of it as they remarked on the offense.
>
If you stop feeling hurt because somebody offended you,
and take that as an excuse for being rude to anyone else
in the same thread, within two weeks everything will be forgotten.
And that will be one week or less if you apologize to
the people in this group and promise in these NGs to be
nice and friendly. (Correct me if I am wrong, but I
think the changes of you apologizing are slim to say the
least. Yet naive silly boy that I am, I always think
people wil do what they ought to).

> 
>>Though in your case your previous rude behaviour will
>>make the score lower.
>>(FYI this mail isn't a personal attack either, nor were
>>any of my other mails. If you think otherwise, reread).
> 
> 
> Again, for me a personal attack does not involve words.
(Here is the other example of a mismatch in definition.)
Come on, you know what _I_ mean. I knew already what it means
for you and will supply that definition when _you_ use it.
One of the basic rules in a discussion is that you try
to understand what the other peorson is saying (i.e. what
he/she means). Assuming that someone else means the same
thing as you would when you say it is a fundamental mistake.
Sorry, if I offend you by reiterating that, but I think
you made that mistake a lot of times in this discussions
and that it is the main reason for you to think that
everybody is after you.

So, I think I have said what I intended to say. I do not
feel that this discussion is productive. This wil be my
last post, unless you come up with a new and surprising
insight.

I hope to see you again in these NGs and that can only
happen if I do not put you in the killfile. If you are nice
and friendly with me and the others I might even forget
the whole concept of the killfile and return happily to
my normal naive ground state.

	Andrel

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