"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> > Personally I'ld like to know, why is there so much surveillance in London. Is it
> > because of the terrorist attacks of 2005/2017?
>
> good questions both; and not just in the UK.  I think (disclaimer: not a
> historian etc) that the roots go back (at least) to medieval monarchs having
> "dark arts + thugs" departments to .. maintain competitive advantage, which
> became more "proper" institutions, necessarily, with the empire
> building/expansion and "maintainance".
>
> > Even then it seems to me unusual for a western country.
>
> "By the end of the 20th century, the ECHELON surveillance network had evolved
> into a global system capable of sweeping up massive amounts of private and
> commercial communications, including telephone calls, fax, e-mail and other data
> traffic. This was done through the interception of communication bearers such as
> satellite transmission and public switched telephone networks."
>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#ECHELON_network_disclosures_(1972%E2%80%932000)>
>
> "According to declassified (but partly redacted) US government documents
> released in 2015, in 1955, Crypto AG's founder Boris Hagelin and William
> Friedman entered into an unwritten agreement concerning the C-52 encryption
> machines that compromised the security of some of the purchasers."
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG#Compromised_machines>
>
> :-)
>
> how much remains .. undisclosed?
>
>
> regards, jr.


Oh yes, i remember echelon - in germany we saw it as espionage from a "friendly"
side like from france and USA of course. I don't know if germany does the same.

When it became public, I saw it as a sign of descending powers.

But now in times of Alexa, I would speak openly only in Alexa-free rooms about
sensitive topics. So much to personal freedom in democracies nowadays.

Norbert

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