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[Santiago Rojas] f--- [90 days 16 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:27:47 GMT

[Mr] Re: Recompile [1258 days 22 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Mon, 7 Nov 2022 12:30:00 GMT

"Convinced" <der### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "Fredray" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> > Thorsten <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> > > On 06.05.2020 08:51, Fredray wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I just learned from Lutz that the POV-Team had the rights to the Moray
software
> > > > and I would like to ask you if you could do a recompile on Windows 10  to
remove
> > > > the bug with the export of the code for povray 3.5 ?
> > > > I don't ask a new version with new features, just a recompile.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think that it will be possible ?
> > >
> > > No, it is not possible to just compile ancient code with new compilers.
> > >
> > > If that was so trivial, don't you think Moray would have been released
> > > with that support already?
> > >
> > > Thorsten
> >
> >
> > Hi Thorsten,
> >
> > I didn't know that the new compilers couldn't recompile the ancien code. I
> > thought the compilers would just identify the deprecated classes and that it was
> > easy to change, because C++ is a standard language. Lutz said me that the rights
> > of Moray software belong to the POV-Team, so I thought there was no problem
> > either. I guess the problem is pretty technical from what you say. Is Moray's
> > code not well commented? Maybe Lutz could give some leads, I don't know. It's a
> > shame to let this tool die, because it's well thought out in use.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Frantz
>
> Having watched this discussion go on and on and on for years I ask myself, why
> hasn't the Povteam just given the code to someone to play around with. God knows
> we have been sitting on our butts for two years, progress could have been made.
> I see many users volunteering but it's like getting blood out of a stone, or
> does the stone have any blood left in it?
> Any suggestions??

People so passionate about this tool should use Moray as the basis to all the
functionality they want, and help to implement each of them in Blender's pov
addon. (it already has a Moray inspired workspace with toolbar loaded
optionally)
But no feedback is ever given to it's developers.

[Convinced] Re: Recompile [1259 days and 2 minutes ago]

Mon, 7 Nov 2022 10:55:00 GMT

"Fredray" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Thorsten <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> > On 06.05.2020 08:51, Fredray wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I just learned from Lutz that the POV-Team had the rights to the Moray software
> > > and I would like to ask you if you could do a recompile on Windows 10  to remove
> > > the bug with the export of the code for povray 3.5 ?
> > > I don't ask a new version with new features, just a recompile.
> > >
> > > Do you think that it will be possible ?
> >
> > No, it is not possible to just compile ancient code with new compilers.
> >
> > If that was so trivial, don't you think Moray would have been released
> > with that support already?
> >
> > Thorsten
>
>
> Hi Thorsten,
>
> I didn't know that the new compilers couldn't recompile the ancien code. I
> thought the compilers would just identify the deprecated classes and that it was
> easy to change, because C++ is a standard language. Lutz said me that the rights
> of Moray software belong to the POV-Team, so I thought there was no problem
> either. I guess the problem is pretty technical from what you say. Is Moray's
> code not well commented? Maybe Lutz could give some leads, I don't know. It's a
> shame to let this tool die, because it's well thought out in use.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Frantz

Having watched this discussion go on and on and on for years I ask myself, why
hasn't the Povteam just given the code to someone to play around with. God knows
we have been sitting on our butts for two years, progress could have been made.
I see many users volunteering but it's like getting blood out of a stone, or
does the stone have any blood left in it?
Any suggestions??

[Fredray] Re: Recompile [2159 days 12 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Wed, 20 May 2020 22:40:00 GMT

Thorsten <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> On 06.05.2020 08:51, Fredray wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just learned from Lutz that the POV-Team had the rights to the Moray software
> > and I would like to ask you if you could do a recompile on Windows 10  to remove
> > the bug with the export of the code for povray 3.5 ?
> > I don't ask a new version with new features, just a recompile.
> >
> > Do you think that it will be possible ?
>
> No, it is not possible to just compile ancient code with new compilers.
>
> If that was so trivial, don't you think Moray would have been released
> with that support already?
>
> Thorsten

Hi Thorsten,

I didn't know that the new compilers couldn't recompile the ancien code. I
thought the compilers would just identify the deprecated classes and that it was
easy to change, because C++ is a standard language. Lutz said me that the rights
of Moray software belong to the POV-Team, so I thought there was no problem
either. I guess the problem is pretty technical from what you say. Is Moray's
code not well commented? Maybe Lutz could give some leads, I don't know. It's a
shame to let this tool die, because it's well thought out in use.

Best Regards

Frantz

[Thorsten] Re: Recompile [2172 days 17 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Thu, 7 May 2020 17:29:59 GMT

On 06.05.2020 08:51, Fredray wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just learned from Lutz that the POV-Team had the rights to the Moray software
> and I would like to ask you if you could do a recompile on Windows 10  to remove
> the bug with the export of the code for povray 3.5 ?
> I don't ask a new version with new features, just a recompile.
> 
> Do you think that it will be possible ?

No, it is not possible to just compile ancient code with new compilers.

If that was so trivial, don't you think Moray would have been released 
with that support already?

Thorsten

[Fredray] Recompile [2174 days 4 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Wed, 6 May 2020 06:55:00 GMT

Hi,

I just learned from Lutz that the POV-Team had the rights to the Moray software
and I would like to ask you if you could do a recompile on Windows 10  to remove
the bug with the export of the code for povray 3.5 ?
I don't ask a new version with new features, just a recompile.

Do you think that it will be possible ?

Thank you for your understanding.

Best regards

[Gergely Szaktilla] Re: Moray on DOSBox? [3291 days 12 hours and 1 minute ago]

Fri, 14 Apr 2017 22:55:52 GMT

Am 15.04.2017 um 00:07 schrieb Kenneth:
> I'm just curious, as I've never used DOSBox: I guess you mean an old *DOS*
> version of MORAY? I always thought MORAY was a Windows-specific app.
> 

It was DOS-specific until 1998 or so. I started working with Moray
before 1995. Which implies that I'm older than thirty or so :-)

Gregor

[Stephen] Re: Moray on DOSBox? [3291 days 12 hours and 5 minutes ago]

Fri, 14 Apr 2017 22:52:20 GMT

On 4/14/2017 11:07 PM, Kenneth wrote:
> I'm just curious, as I've never used DOSBox: I guess you mean an old *DOS*
> version of MORAY? I always thought MORAY was a Windows-specific app.
>

 From the Moray home page.

  A version supporting POV-Ray 3.0 is also available as a protected-mode 
DOS program, which runs fine under Win3.11 and OS2/2.

http://www.stmuc.com/moray/index.html

-- 

Regards
     Stephen

[Kenneth] Re: Moray on DOSBox? [3291 days 12 hours and 47 minutes ago]

Fri, 14 Apr 2017 22:10:00 GMT

I'm just curious, as I've never used DOSBox: I guess you mean an old *DOS*
version of MORAY? I always thought MORAY was a Windows-specific app.

[Gergely Szaktilla] Moray on DOSBox? [3291 days 15 hours and 38 minutes ago]

Fri, 14 Apr 2017 19:19:00 GMT

Hi there,

I am using an very old version of Moray and I'm glad Moray is not *that*
dead.

Recently I was able to revitalize it with the help of DOSBox
(www.dosbox.com). Is there a chance that a disk-image or sth. like that
will be available sometime? If I can help please let me know.

Regards,

Gregor

[Stephen] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3385 days 15 hours and 18 minutes ago]

Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:38:59 GMT

On 1/10/2017 3:55 PM, LanuHum wrote:
> "LanuHum" <Lan### [at] yandexru> wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I need to find a tutorial. Do you know of any?
>>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Google keywords: blender tutorial youtube rigid(soft) body physics
>
> If using BGE:
> Recording to Keyframes:
> https://www.blender.org/manual/game_engine/physics/introduction.html
>
>
>
Thanks,
My main problem was I could not find any tutorials that dealt with the 
PovRay exporter's version. That and there being a few properties missing 
as well. But when I realised that they can be accessed from blender 
render tab, I am plodding on.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen

[LanuHum] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3385 days 18 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:00:01 GMT

"LanuHum" <Lan### [at] yandexru> wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
> >
> > I need to find a tutorial. Do you know of any?
> >
>
> :)
>
> Google keywords: blender tutorial youtube rigid(soft) body physics

If using BGE:
Recording to Keyframes:
https://www.blender.org/manual/game_engine/physics/introduction.html

[LanuHum] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3386 days 20 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Mon, 9 Jan 2017 14:30:00 GMT

Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>
> I need to find a tutorial. Do you know of any?
>

:)

Google keywords: blender tutorial youtube rigid(soft) body physics

[Stephen] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3389 days 18 hours and 6 minutes ago]

Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:51:17 GMT

On 1/6/2017 3:08 PM, Mr wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>> I will be stealing code from all over. ;-)
>
> You can start here:
>
https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Render/POV-Ray/Sample_Materials
>
>> Q. Would writing something like #include
>> "C:\Users\Stephen\Documents\POV-Ray\v3.7\include\colors.inc". Allow me
>> to use the entries in that file?
>
> Indeed it should
>

Good, I don't need it yet


>> Are there any plans to incorporate the game engine or Bullet Physics
>> into the PovRay exporter?
>
> Bullet is already in Blender available to the whole animation system, not only
> game engine, since Aligorith's summer of code a few years ago ! So Anything you
> do with it there will be rendered along normally, or should be All blender
> features like fluids, smoke, etc. should render normally by now, unless it's
> broken and no one reported it...
>
>

I need to find a tutorial. Do you know of any?


>
> The workspace has been added to Wiki under "POV-Ray centric default workspace"
> title, thanks for the suggestion :
>
> https://wiki.blender.org/uploads/9/91/POV_WORKSPACE_1.blend
>


-- 

Regards
     Stephen

[Mr] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3389 days 19 hours and 47 minutes ago]

Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:10:00 GMT

Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:

> I will be stealing code from all over. ;-)

You can start here:
https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Render/POV-Ray/Sample_Materials

> Q. Would writing something like #include
> "C:\Users\Stephen\Documents\POV-Ray\v3.7\include\colors.inc". Allow me
> to use the entries in that file?

Indeed it should

> Are there any plans to incorporate the game engine or Bullet Physics
> into the PovRay exporter?

Bullet is already in Blender available to the whole animation system, not only
game engine, since Aligorith's summer of code a few years ago ! So Anything you
do with it there will be rendered along normally, or should be All blender
features like fluids, smoke, etc. should render normally by now, unless it's
broken and no one reported it...

The workspace has been added to Wiki under "POV-Ray centric default workspace"
title, thanks for the suggestion :

https://wiki.blender.org/uploads/9/91/POV_WORKSPACE_1.blend

[Stephen] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3390 days 20 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Thu, 5 Jan 2017 14:36:57 GMT

On 1/5/2017 1:36 PM, Mr wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> On 12/17/2016 2:42 PM, LanuHum wrote:
>>> "Mr" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Since it was suggested in the POV-Ray Google Trends discussion thread by several
>>>> persons, and even though it doesn't feel right, I post the default Blender file
>>>> for POV-Ray users who want to learn Blender in this section (hoping we will one
>>>> day have a Blender section or that this one will include the software name in
>>>> its title along Moray)
>>>>
>>>> This file has been requested in the above discussion. You can make it the
>>>> default file right after opening it by pressing CTRL+U and saving the defaults.
>>>>
>>>> It is oriented to texture writing with a big text file open so that you don't
>>>> feel lost when coming from POV background without the habit of a GUI.
>>>>
>>>> The 3D view can be rotated with middle mouse, and returned to Camera by Numpad 0
>>>> The render is launched with F12.
>>>> Any shortcut will act depending on the window currently under the mouse.
>>>>
>>>> Try to change the text and hit F12 to see if this UI layout is ok for you to
>>>> develop textures. Otherwise, please, report back any change you would want to
>>>> see so you can start learning Blender with our help.
>>>> A copy of the file is also temporarily hosted here for 5 months :
>>>> http://pasteall.org/blend/index.php?id=44655
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your attention and enjoy!
>>>
>>> In vain we tried to.
>>>
>>
>> Deep thoughts LanuHum (I don't understand what you mean).
>> I am using the file as default and I like the layout.
>>
>> One* question. Previously I changed the Blender materials in Povray I am
>> not familiar with Blender materials and textures.
>>
>> Does the PovRay material file require a specific name?
>> Can you have multiple PovRay material files in Blender?
>> Did you write a module to use nodes similar to Cycles? I liked the idea
>> of nodes as it seems more user friendly. If you did not, please don't
>> rush off and do it. It is only a question.
>>
>>
>> * Never was good at counting. :)
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>>       Stephen
>
>
> All good questions because there are answers :-)

The best types of questions indeed. :-)

> First you don't have to write povray textures, but you can, by typing them in
> the text editor and checking for it to be included
>
> You can name the povray texture whatever you want, provided you use the name
> exactly as declared in the customPOV material replacement field.
>
> You can either delare all materials one after the other in the same text file,
> or use several text files all checked to be included.

Great! I did not notice that checkbox. [Add as POV code]

> In theory it doesn't
> matter (generally for convenience I declare them in the same text window, so
> other use is less tested)
>

I will be stealing code from all over. ;-)

I could test this myself but busy, busy, busy and I just thought of it.
Q. Would writing something like #include 
"C:\Users\Stephen\Documents\POV-Ray\v3.7\include\colors.inc". Allow me 
to use the entries in that file?

> LanuHum wrote the Nodes system for POV-Ray only in his version of the exporter.

I feared that would be the case.

Last question.
Are there any plans to incorporate the game engine or Bullet Physics 
into the PovRay exporter?

My guess is that LanuHum is the man to ask. ;-)


> Someone could try and merge it into the official exporter if needed.
>
> Happy new year!
>
>
And a guid New Year ta a'



-- 

Regards
     Stephen

[Mr] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3390 days 21 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:50:01 GMT

William F Pokorny <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> On 12/12/2016 11:43 AM, Mr wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Since it was suggested in the POV-Ray Google Trends discussion thread by several
> > persons, and even though it doesn't feel right, I post the default Blender file
> > for POV-Ray users who want to learn Blender in this section (hoping we will one
> > day have a Blender section or that this one will include the software name in
> > its title along Moray)
> >
> > This file has been requested in the above discussion. You can make it the
> > default file right after opening it by pressing CTRL+U and saving the defaults.
> >
> > It is oriented to texture writing with a big text file open so that you don't
> > feel lost when coming from POV background without the habit of a GUI.
> >
> > The 3D view can be rotated with middle mouse, and returned to Camera by Numpad 0
> > The render is launched with F12.
> > Any shortcut will act depending on the window currently under the mouse.
> >
> > Try to change the text and hit F12 to see if this UI layout is ok for you to
> > develop textures. Otherwise, please, report back any change you would want to
> > see so you can start learning Blender with our help.
> > A copy of the file is also temporarily hosted here for 5 months :
> > http://pasteall.org/blend/index.php?id=44655
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your attention and enjoy!
> >
>
> FYI - I've updated the POV-Ray Wikipedia page with respect the blender
> interface efforts. I pointed folks to:
>
> https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Render/POV-Ray
>
> If there is a better introduction page, please let me know.
>
> I didn't see a specific reference to this POV specific workspace page on
> that opening page - perhaps one there too would be good?
>
> Bill P.

Thanks, this is the best entry point indeed !
I think it should also be mentioned into POVRay wiki itself if you guys agree.

Maybe if I can I will add the pov workspace file to blender wiki though I'm not
sure they will accept one more attachment other than images.

[Mr] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3390 days 21 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Thu, 5 Jan 2017 13:40:01 GMT

Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 12/17/2016 2:42 PM, LanuHum wrote:
> > "Mr" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Since it was suggested in the POV-Ray Google Trends discussion thread by several
> >> persons, and even though it doesn't feel right, I post the default Blender file
> >> for POV-Ray users who want to learn Blender in this section (hoping we will one
> >> day have a Blender section or that this one will include the software name in
> >> its title along Moray)
> >>
> >> This file has been requested in the above discussion. You can make it the
> >> default file right after opening it by pressing CTRL+U and saving the defaults.
> >>
> >> It is oriented to texture writing with a big text file open so that you don't
> >> feel lost when coming from POV background without the habit of a GUI.
> >>
> >> The 3D view can be rotated with middle mouse, and returned to Camera by Numpad 0
> >> The render is launched with F12.
> >> Any shortcut will act depending on the window currently under the mouse.
> >>
> >> Try to change the text and hit F12 to see if this UI layout is ok for you to
> >> develop textures. Otherwise, please, report back any change you would want to
> >> see so you can start learning Blender with our help.
> >> A copy of the file is also temporarily hosted here for 5 months :
> >> http://pasteall.org/blend/index.php?id=44655
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your attention and enjoy!
> >
> > In vain we tried to.
> >
>
> Deep thoughts LanuHum (I don't understand what you mean).
> I am using the file as default and I like the layout.
>
> One* question. Previously I changed the Blender materials in Povray I am
> not familiar with Blender materials and textures.
>
> Does the PovRay material file require a specific name?
> Can you have multiple PovRay material files in Blender?
> Did you write a module to use nodes similar to Cycles? I liked the idea
> of nodes as it seems more user friendly. If you did not, please don't
> rush off and do it. It is only a question.
>
>
> * Never was good at counting. :)
> --
>
> Regards
>      Stephen


All good questions because there are answers :-)
First you don't have to write povray textures, but you can, by typing them in
the text editor and checking for it to be included

You can name the povray texture whatever you want, provided you use the name
exactly as declared in the customPOV material replacement field.

You can either delare all materials one after the other in the same text file,
or use several text files all checked to be included. In theory it doesn't
matter (generally for convenience I declare them in the same text window, so
other use is less tested)

LanuHum wrote the Nodes system for POV-Ray only in his version of the exporter.
Someone could try and merge it into the official exporter if needed.

Happy new year!

[William F Pokorny] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3407 days 19 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:05:18 GMT

On 12/12/2016 11:43 AM, Mr wrote:
> Hi,
> Since it was suggested in the POV-Ray Google Trends discussion thread by several
> persons, and even though it doesn't feel right, I post the default Blender file
> for POV-Ray users who want to learn Blender in this section (hoping we will one
> day have a Blender section or that this one will include the software name in
> its title along Moray)
>
> This file has been requested in the above discussion. You can make it the
> default file right after opening it by pressing CTRL+U and saving the defaults.
>
> It is oriented to texture writing with a big text file open so that you don't
> feel lost when coming from POV background without the habit of a GUI.
>
> The 3D view can be rotated with middle mouse, and returned to Camera by Numpad 0
> The render is launched with F12.
> Any shortcut will act depending on the window currently under the mouse.
>
> Try to change the text and hit F12 to see if this UI layout is ok for you to
> develop textures. Otherwise, please, report back any change you would want to
> see so you can start learning Blender with our help.
> A copy of the file is also temporarily hosted here for 5 months :
> http://pasteall.org/blend/index.php?id=44655
>
>
> Thanks for your attention and enjoy!
>

FYI - I've updated the POV-Ray Wikipedia page with respect the blender 
interface efforts. I pointed folks to:

https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Render/POV-Ray

If there is a better introduction page, please let me know.

I didn't see a specific reference to this POV specific workspace page on 
that opening page - perhaps one there too would be good?

Bill P.

[LanuHum] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3409 days 3 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:40:00 GMT

Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>
> One* question. Previously I changed the Blender materials in Povray I am
> not familiar with Blender materials and textures.
>
> Does the PovRay material file require a specific name?
> Can you have multiple PovRay material files in Blender?
> Did you write a module to use nodes similar to Cycles? I liked the idea
> of nodes as it seems more user friendly. If you did not, please don't
> rush off and do it. It is only a question.
>
>
> * Never was good at counting. :)
> --
>
> Regards
>      Stephen

Mr has complete control over this version exporter.
I reminded him about your question.
Wait for his response.

:)

[Stephen] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3409 days 19 hours and 5 minutes ago]

Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:52:01 GMT

On 12/17/2016 2:42 PM, LanuHum wrote:
> "Mr" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Since it was suggested in the POV-Ray Google Trends discussion thread by several
>> persons, and even though it doesn't feel right, I post the default Blender file
>> for POV-Ray users who want to learn Blender in this section (hoping we will one
>> day have a Blender section or that this one will include the software name in
>> its title along Moray)
>>
>> This file has been requested in the above discussion. You can make it the
>> default file right after opening it by pressing CTRL+U and saving the defaults.
>>
>> It is oriented to texture writing with a big text file open so that you don't
>> feel lost when coming from POV background without the habit of a GUI.
>>
>> The 3D view can be rotated with middle mouse, and returned to Camera by Numpad 0
>> The render is launched with F12.
>> Any shortcut will act depending on the window currently under the mouse.
>>
>> Try to change the text and hit F12 to see if this UI layout is ok for you to
>> develop textures. Otherwise, please, report back any change you would want to
>> see so you can start learning Blender with our help.
>> A copy of the file is also temporarily hosted here for 5 months :
>> http://pasteall.org/blend/index.php?id=44655
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your attention and enjoy!
>
> In vain we tried to.
>

Deep thoughts LanuHum (I don't understand what you mean).
I am using the file as default and I like the layout.

One* question. Previously I changed the Blender materials in Povray I am 
not familiar with Blender materials and textures.

Does the PovRay material file require a specific name?
Can you have multiple PovRay material files in Blender?
Did you write a module to use nodes similar to Cycles? I liked the idea 
of nodes as it seems more user friendly. If you did not, please don't 
rush off and do it. It is only a question.


* Never was good at counting. :)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

[LanuHum] Re: POV specific Blender workspace [3409 days 20 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Sat, 17 Dec 2016 14:45:00 GMT

"Mr" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Hi,
> Since it was suggested in the POV-Ray Google Trends discussion thread by several
> persons, and even though it doesn't feel right, I post the default Blender file
> for POV-Ray users who want to learn Blender in this section (hoping we will one
> day have a Blender section or that this one will include the software name in
> its title along Moray)
>
> This file has been requested in the above discussion. You can make it the
> default file right after opening it by pressing CTRL+U and saving the defaults.
>
> It is oriented to texture writing with a big text file open so that you don't
> feel lost when coming from POV background without the habit of a GUI.
>
> The 3D view can be rotated with middle mouse, and returned to Camera by Numpad 0
> The render is launched with F12.
> Any shortcut will act depending on the window currently under the mouse.
>
> Try to change the text and hit F12 to see if this UI layout is ok for you to
> develop textures. Otherwise, please, report back any change you would want to
> see so you can start learning Blender with our help.
> A copy of the file is also temporarily hosted here for 5 months :
> http://pasteall.org/blend/index.php?id=44655
>
>
> Thanks for your attention and enjoy!

In vain we tried to.

[Mr] POV specific Blender workspace [3414 days 18 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Mon, 12 Dec 2016 16:45:01 GMT

Hi,
Since it was suggested in the POV-Ray Google Trends discussion thread by several
persons, and even though it doesn't feel right, I post the default Blender file
for POV-Ray users who want to learn Blender in this section (hoping we will one
day have a Blender section or that this one will include the software name in
its title along Moray)

This file has been requested in the above discussion. You can make it the
default file right after opening it by pressing CTRL+U and saving the defaults.

It is oriented to texture writing with a big text file open so that you don't
feel lost when coming from POV background without the habit of a GUI.

The 3D view can be rotated with middle mouse, and returned to Camera by Numpad 0
The render is launched with F12.
Any shortcut will act depending on the window currently under the mouse.

Try to change the text and hit F12 to see if this UI layout is ok for you to
develop textures. Otherwise, please, report back any change you would want to
see so you can start learning Blender with our help.
A copy of the file is also temporarily hosted here for 5 months :
http://pasteall.org/blend/index.php?id=44655


Thanks for your attention and enjoy!

[Anthony D Baye] Git Repo [3693 days 10 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Wed, 9 Mar 2016 00:15:01 GMT

is there one for the moray source?

Regards,
A.D.B.

[LanuHum] Re: I'm volunteering [3942 days 18 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Fri, 3 Jul 2015 16:35:01 GMT

Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
>
> Once it's working we could look at the possibilities of porting it.
> I'd be quite keen to see it become cross-platform (perhaps using QT?)
>
> -- Chris

http://lynxline.com/superhybrids-part-2-now-qt-pyside/

[Convinced] Re: I'm volunteering [3943 days 20 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:30:01 GMT

Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> On 27/02/2015 05:53, Woody wrote:
> > I've returned to school after 10 years, (getting an MS in computer science, with
> > an emphasis in Computer Graphics).
> >
> > I'd like to volunteer to start porting the Moray code to Linux and Mac (I've
> > been gaining quite alot of knowledge on these two operating systems since
> > returning). I also have previous experience developing for Windows using C# as
> > well as MSVC++ with COM, MVC, and GDI.
> >
> > Given the state of the industry, I'm guessing linux an OSX versions would be
> > developed using C++. I'm assuming the same would be true for Windows, or would
> > C#?
> > What frameworks does Moray currently use? (The last time I was able to get it
> > working was on XP, despite the many supposed fixes for Windows 7)
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the offer - we'd be quite keen to have someone look at it.
>
> Moray was originally a DOS program and was ported to windows back in
> the '90's using MFC. Apart from a custom toolbar it doesn't depend on
> any other external frameworks; it's just generic C++.
>
> The requirement for the custom toolbar has been removed from the
> existing source. At one point we had some OpenGL issues but I think
> they were resolved (Lutz had a poke at it about two years ago I think).
>
> What we want to do right at the moment is get it going again with
> POV-Ray integrated into it directly. The main issue with doing that is
> to sort out the interdependencies between it and and POV (e.g. Moray
> uses slighty different versions of some of the same libraries as POV
> does - libpng, libjpeg at least).
>
> Getting it working on modern OS's with a built-in POV would be a major
> step in the right direction and probably not hugely difficult - it
> just requires an investment in time.
>
> Once it's working we could look at the possibilities of porting it.
> I'd be quite keen to see it become cross-platform (perhaps using QT?)
>
> -- Chris

Good to see that someone is still interested in Moray. Pity the usual lethargy
has set in. Has Woody been taken up with his offer?
If so good to know

[Chris Cason] Re: I'm volunteering [4064 days 14 hours and 38 minutes ago]

Tue, 3 Mar 2015 20:19:04 GMT

On 27/02/2015 05:53, Woody wrote:
> I've returned to school after 10 years, (getting an MS in computer science, with
> an emphasis in Computer Graphics).
> 
> I'd like to volunteer to start porting the Moray code to Linux and Mac (I've
> been gaining quite alot of knowledge on these two operating systems since
> returning). I also have previous experience developing for Windows using C# as
> well as MSVC++ with COM, MVC, and GDI.
> 
> Given the state of the industry, I'm guessing linux an OSX versions would be
> developed using C++. I'm assuming the same would be true for Windows, or would
> C#?
> What frameworks does Moray currently use? (The last time I was able to get it
> working was on XP, despite the many supposed fixes for Windows 7)

Hi,

Thanks for the offer - we'd be quite keen to have someone look at it.

Moray was originally a DOS program and was ported to windows back in
the '90's using MFC. Apart from a custom toolbar it doesn't depend on
any other external frameworks; it's just generic C++.

The requirement for the custom toolbar has been removed from the
existing source. At one point we had some OpenGL issues but I think
they were resolved (Lutz had a poke at it about two years ago I think).

What we want to do right at the moment is get it going again with
POV-Ray integrated into it directly. The main issue with doing that is
to sort out the interdependencies between it and and POV (e.g. Moray
uses slighty different versions of some of the same libraries as POV
does - libpng, libjpeg at least).

Getting it working on modern OS's with a built-in POV would be a major
step in the right direction and probably not hugely difficult - it
just requires an investment in time.

Once it's working we could look at the possibilities of porting it.
I'd be quite keen to see it become cross-platform (perhaps using QT?)

-- Chris

[Le Forgeron] Re: I'm volunteering [4069 days 13 hours and 59 minutes ago]

Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:58:12 GMT

Le 26/02/2015 19:53, Woody a Ã©crit :
> Hi,
> 
> I've returned to school after 10 years, (getting an MS in computer science, with
> an emphasis in Computer Graphics).
> 
> I'd like to volunteer to start porting the Moray code to Linux and Mac (I've
> been gaining quite alot of knowledge on these two operating systems since
> returning). I also have previous experience developing for Windows using C# as
> well as MSVC++ with COM, MVC, and GDI.
> 
> Given the state of the industry, I'm guessing linux an OSX versions would be
> developed using C++. I'm assuming the same would be true for Windows, or would
> C#?

Windows has C++ compiler too (in Visual Studio), even a crappy C
compiler (official statement from MS: C++ is updated, but C is not and
all you can expect is K&R), so everything is possible.

> What frameworks does Moray currently use? (The last time I was able to get it
> working was on XP, despite the many supposed fixes for Windows 7)
> 

MSVC++ was used... Visual C++ 8, old timer.

Given the GUI-oriented nature of the program, I wonder if Java would not
be worth some consideration, at least for unification of the handling of
the GUI item (as long as someone stays away from native mapping). Or not
(if openGl is used, how easy is it to use it from Java ? so far I do not
know).
(I have three main reasons to not like Java, but that's nothing that
should stop anyone)

Choosing the language before knowing the expectation seems a bit of
pre-optimisation  (that's bad). And it's not only the core-language, but
also the kind of look the GUI-libraries might provides (and their
cross-platform availability: a single version is easier to maintain than
3 or 4 adaptations to specific platforms).

Maybe gaining access to the current sources for getting some idea might
helps... but a whole internal redesign might be needed (or not), for
multiple platforms' support. I'm afraid of old code being full of
windows' shortcut.

From the Moray site, it seems that it had an approach for plugins, I
wonder if there is a portable way for that too. Or maybe a single binary
holding everything is simpler.

[Woody] I'm volunteering [4069 days 16 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:55:01 GMT

Hi,

I've returned to school after 10 years, (getting an MS in computer science, with
an emphasis in Computer Graphics).

I'd like to volunteer to start porting the Moray code to Linux and Mac (I've
been gaining quite alot of knowledge on these two operating systems since
returning). I also have previous experience developing for Windows using C# as
well as MSVC++ with COM, MVC, and GDI.

Given the state of the industry, I'm guessing linux an OSX versions would be
developed using C++. I'm assuming the same would be true for Windows, or would
C#?
What frameworks does Moray currently use? (The last time I was able to get it
working was on XP, despite the many supposed fixes for Windows 7)

Let me know.

-Jeff

[PolyVinalDistillate] Version 0.0 Moray for Windows -> OpenSCAD exporter [4502 days 5 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Sat, 21 Dec 2013 05:50:00 GMT

I have recently bought a 3D printer and found all of the free modelling software
either buggy, cumbersome, or limited! OpenSCAD is good for those that have the
nack of programming scenes in a SDL, but sadly that's a learning curve I've only
ever got halfway up! (Aplogies to the POV-Ray purists!)

In an effort to make my 3D printer useful, I went hunting for the Moray
PluginSDK which I got about 8 years ago and knew was somewhere on my computer!
The attached zipfile contains sourcecode and the DLL for an export plugin I
threw together which can export the major primitives to OpenSCAD for conversion
to STL.

This plugin has only had about 12 hours of programming done on it so far, though
I may extend it later (it does everything I need it to do at the moment).
Consider it pre-version-number software!

Capabilities:
Export geometry to OpenSCAD SDL for...
CSG, Group, cube, cone, sphere, cylinder, torus, Rotational sweep, references.
Supports local/world coordinate system used in Moray.

The generated OpenSCAD code isn't particularly easy to modify yet (I just wanted
to get models into OpenSCAD and not modify them afterwards), however I am
considering the possibility of adding more features at a later stage and
reaching version 0.01!

I contacted Lutz Kretzschmar regarding release of this plugin and who I should
tell about it. He suggested contacting the POV-Ray development team, but I
couldn't find a direct email so gave up!

Install by copying the .dll into the Moray V3.5 plugin directory. This will add
an opeion to the export menu.

[StephenS] Test water for stargate [5474 days 19 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:40:00 GMT

A sample scene for a water looking normal.

Stephen S

[Legio] Re: Moray crash (transweep in CSG) [5683 days 13 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:25:01 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> "Legio" <leg### [at] vipmailhu> schreef in bericht
> news:web.4c9a425b3e3ac824350e603c0@news.povray.org...
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Attached MDL fil to Moray.Win problem with same subject.
> >
>
> There is no attachment...
>
> Thomas

once again:)

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Moray crash (transweep in CSG) [5687 days 4 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 06:54:41 GMT

"Legio" <leg### [at] vipmailhu> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4c9a425b3e3ac824350e603c0@news.povray.org...
>
> Hi
>
> Attached MDL fil to Moray.Win problem with same subject.
>

There is no attachment...

Thomas

[Legio] Moray crash (transweep in CSG) [5687 days 17 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:55:00 GMT

Hi

Attached MDL fil to Moray.Win problem with same subject.

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Nested Blobs that Work with Moray`s IK [6260 days 2 hours and 45 minutes ago]

Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:11:58 GMT

Hei Ho! I am certainly going to experiment with this! Thank you very much!

Thomas

[Bridgeofstraws] Nested Blobs that Work with Moray`s IK [6263 days 8 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:25:00 GMT

I don`t know if anyone is as excited about this as much as I am but I finally
made up a way so that we can use IK with organic shapes (specifically blobs).
It is a rather long and slightly painful process but it opens up a huge amount
of possibilities.  The code could even be adapted for use in POV-Ray easily
since most of the work is done using the InsertCode and POVInclude plugins.  No
recognition to me is necessary if you happen to use the technique.  I figure I
owe the POV community for all the help.

The attachment includes all the files necessary for the scene to work.  It
should be noted that if you do quickly glance through the plugins and notice
that you have them all, please note you won`t have Vector.lua (Just a quick
little thing I had to make for it all to work).

Enjoy.  Any and all comments are welcome.

[Thomas de Groot] Re: The Duplicate2 plugin for your convenience [6967 days 20 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:30:17 GMT

Thank you Arne!

I lost the readme file of the plugin. Completes and corrects my tutorial.

Thomas


"Arne Kleinophorst" <kle### [at] spamdebitelnet> schreef in bericht 
news:460### [at] spamdebitelnet...
> The Readme, originally attached to the plugin:
>
> Dublicate2 v0.4,
>
> Dublicate2 is a Moray v3.2/v3.3 Plugin, giving a new duplication dialog.
> The duplication of the objects is randomised, with adjustable values for
> the area, the sizing and the rotation The objects will be created randomly
> with a given seed value and added to a csg group. In V0.2 there's a new
> option to place the duplicated objects. You can use certain objects as
> boundaries for the randomised creation. Supported boundary objects in v0.3
> are:
>  Cube
>  cylinder
>  torus
>  sphere
>  disc
>  Heightfield (Only TRUE-COLOR TGA files)
>  cone
>
> when using a heightfield, the objects will be created on the surface of
> this heightfield, using the appropriate z-value
>
> History:
> v0.1 first version of the plugin using OWL
>
> v0.2 new version without OWL
>  * Cancel Button inserted
>  * Icon added to Plugin List
>  * scaling bug fixed
>  * possibility to use certain objects as boundaries added
>  * smaller bugs fixed
>
> v0.3 add new functions
>  * uniform scaling
>  * create reference object
>  * add original object to CSG
>  * distance controll
>  * new boundary object - Cone
>
> v0.4 bugs fixed
>  * new scaling function
>
> If you should have any problems, ideas, questions or critics, feel free to
> contact me
>  ste### [at] studuni-rostockde
>
>
> Thomas de Groot schrieb:
>> Here it is!
>> Just put it in the plugin directory.
>>
>> Thomas
>>

[Arne Kleinophorst] Re: The Duplicate2 plugin for your convenience [6967 days 23 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:05:18 GMT

The Readme, originally attached to the plugin:

Dublicate2 v0.4,

Dublicate2 is a Moray v3.2/v3.3 Plugin, giving a new duplication dialog.
The duplication of the objects is randomised, with adjustable values for
the area, the sizing and the rotation The objects will be created randomly
with a given seed value and added to a csg group. In V0.2 there's a new
option to place the duplicated objects. You can use certain objects as
boundaries for the randomised creation. Supported boundary objects in v0.3
are:
  Cube
  cylinder
  torus
  sphere
  disc
  Heightfield (Only TRUE-COLOR TGA files)
  cone

when using a heightfield, the objects will be created on the surface of
this heightfield, using the appropriate z-value

History:
v0.1 first version of the plugin using OWL

v0.2 new version without OWL
  * Cancel Button inserted
  * Icon added to Plugin List
  * scaling bug fixed
  * possibility to use certain objects as boundaries added
  * smaller bugs fixed

v0.3 add new functions
  * uniform scaling
  * create reference object
  * add original object to CSG
  * distance controll
  * new boundary object - Cone

v0.4 bugs fixed
  * new scaling function

If you should have any problems, ideas, questions or critics, feel free to
contact me
  ste### [at] studuni-rostockde


Thomas de Groot schrieb:
> Here it is!
> Just put it in the plugin directory.
> 
> Thomas
> 
>

[Arne Kleinophorst] Re: The Duplicate2 plugin for your convenience [6967 days 23 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:04:57 GMT

The Readme, originally attached to the plugin:

Dublicate2 v0.4,

Dublicate2 is a Moray v3.2/v3.3 Plugin, giving a new duplication dialog.
The duplication of the objects is randomised, with adjustable values for
the area, the sizing and the rotation The objects will be created randomly
with a given seed value and added to a csg group. In V0.2 there's a new
option to place the duplicated objects. You can use certain objects as
boundaries for the randomised creation. Supported boundary objects in v0.3
are:
  Cube
  cylinder
  torus
  sphere
  disc
  Heightfield (Only TRUE-COLOR TGA files)
  cone

when using a heightfield, the objects will be created on the surface of
this heightfield, using the appropriate z-value

History:
v0.1 first version of the plugin using OWL

v0.2 new version without OWL
  * Cancel Button inserted
  * Icon added to Plugin List
  * scaling bug fixed
  * possibility to use certain objects as boundaries added
  * smaller bugs fixed

v0.3 add new functions
  * uniform scaling
  * create reference object
  * add original object to CSG
  * distance controll
  * new boundary object - Cone

v0.4 bugs fixed
  * new scaling function

If you should have any problems, ideas, questions or critics, feel free to
contact me
  ste### [at] studuni-rostockde


Thomas de Groot schrieb:
> Here it is!
> Just put it in the plugin directory.
> 
> Thomas
> 
>

[Marc] Re: The Duplicate2 plugin for your convenience [6970 days 20 hours and 8 minutes ago]

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:00 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 45fead10@news.povray.org...
> Here it is!
> Just put it in the plugin directory.
>
> Thomas
>
Thank you Thomas :-)

Marc

[Thomas de Groot] The Duplicate2 plugin for your convenience [6970 days 20 hours and 24 minutes ago]

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:32:32 GMT

Here it is!
Just put it in the plugin directory.

Thomas

[Marc] Re: Duplicate2 plugin tutorial [~400kb] [6970 days 21 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:34:31 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 45fe7b19@news.povray.org...
> There is a very interesting plugin for Moray that Steffen Hartleib made in 
> 2000, called Duplicate2.dll. It has, amongst others, a basic trace() 
> function.
> I have used it once in a while over the years, and recently thought it 
> needed a small tutorial. So I tested different things and wrote them down. 
> I tried contacting Steffen about the plugin, but his e-mail is no longer 
> valid. So, for distribution of the plugin to those who want to try it, you 
> can ask me and I shall post it here.
>
> Thomas
>
>
I never saw this plugin, could you post it please?


Marc

[Stephen] Re: Duplicate2 plugin tutorial [~400kb] [6970 days 21 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:15:02 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht
> news:web.45fe817d93b3eda6f1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
> >
> > That's good of you Thomas, I think that I tried it years ago but did not
> > realise it used the trace function. I will give it another look since you
> > posted your tutorial.
> >
>
> You are welcome!
> To tell the truth, I totally forgot about that function until a couple of
> days ago when I wanted to use the plugin for something else. I then realized
> that it did a trace output when using a height_field as container. And that
> ptompted me to write the tutorial because I kind of had to reinvent the
> wheel again.
>
> Thomas

I remember the name but your screenshot did not look familiar. I must try to
find my old Moray files on my last HD which crashed about a year ago.

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Duplicate2 plugin tutorial [~400kb] [6970 days 23 hours and 18 minutes ago]

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:39:07 GMT

"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.45fe817d93b3eda6f1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
>
> That's good of you Thomas, I think that I tried it years ago but did not
> realise it used the trace function. I will give it another look since you
> posted your tutorial.
>

You are welcome!
To tell the truth, I totally forgot about that function until a couple of 
days ago when I wanted to use the plugin for something else. I then realized 
that it did a trace output when using a height_field as container. And that 
ptompted me to write the tutorial because I kind of had to reinvent the 
wheel again.

Thomas

[Stephen] Re: Duplicate2 plugin tutorial [~400kb] [6970 days 23 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:30:02 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> There is a very interesting plugin for Moray that Steffen Hartleib made in
> 2000, called Duplicate2.dll. It has, amongst others, a basic trace()
> function.
> I have used it once in a while over the years, and recently thought it
> needed a small tutorial. So I tested different things and wrote them down. I
> tried contacting Steffen about the plugin, but his e-mail is no longer
> valid. So, for distribution of the plugin to those who want to try it, you
> can ask me and I shall post it here.
>
> Thomas

That’s good of you Thomas, I think that I tried it years ago but did not
realise it used the trace function. I will give it another look since you
posted your tutorial.

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Duplicate2 plugin tutorial [~400kb] [6970 days 23 hours and 58 minutes ago]

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:59:21 GMT

There is a very interesting plugin for Moray that Steffen Hartleib made in 
2000, called Duplicate2.dll. It has, amongst others, a basic trace() 
function.
I have used it once in a while over the years, and recently thought it 
needed a small tutorial. So I tested different things and wrote them down. I 
tried contacting Steffen about the plugin, but his e-mail is no longer 
valid. So, for distribution of the plugin to those who want to try it, you 
can ask me and I shall post it here.

Thomas

[Stephen] Re: TomTree rar file [7009 days 1 hour and 17 minutes ago]

Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:40:00 GMT

"pa_breed" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Hello,
> my name is Peta. i was asked to post in a newsgroup for an assessment
> in my current IT course.
>
> While i'm here though would anyone be able to point me in the right
> direction... i would like to eventually build computers and
> investigate and create new hardware. does anybody know the
> qualifications i will naeed to do this?

Hi Peta, well you have successfully posted in a news group.
I say successfully but one of the first rules is to read the FAQs. If you
had done so then you would have realised that this newsgroup is only for
binary files concerned with the Moray modeller for Pov-Ray. This server is
for the use of people discussing Pov-Ray related matters.
I am glad that you have an interest in hardware it is a very interesting
subject. But to give you a meaningful answer would require knowing a few
things about you. For instance what country you live in, as I could not
give advise to someone living outside the UK. What is your first language,
your age, educational qualifications etc?
There is a news group on the server called Off Topic where your questions
might be answered. It is not visible via the webview so you would need to
use a news reader, Outlook has one.

Stephen

[pa breed] Re: TomTree rar file [7009 days 7 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Fri, 9 Feb 2007 03:00:01 GMT

Hello,
my name is Peta. i was asked to post in a newsgroup for an assessment
in my current IT course.

While i'm here though would anyone be able to point me in the right
direction... i would like to eventually build computers and
investigate and create new hardware. does anybody know the
qualifications i will naeed to do this?

[Keith Hull] WIP Blobman PlugIn Piccy [7046 days 1 hour and 26 minutes ago]

Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:31:13 GMT

Best Regards,

Keith

-- 
http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm

[Stephen] Re: Medieval house #4 [7138 days 22 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:40:01 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote:

>
> I have transposed this now to povray.off-topic.
>
> Thomas

You are right this OT, Sorry I got carried away. Unfortunately I don’t have
access to OT at work.

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house #4 [7138 days 23 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:20:00 GMT

"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4520d41cdde9b2bbf1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
>
> Do that, try to start with the earliest series; The Star Fraction (1995),
> The Stone Canal (1996), The Cassini Division (1997), The Sky Road (1999),
> if you can. Yes there is too much Fantasy for my taste and I like you 
> using
> "SF" not "Sci Fi". That is one of my pet hates :-)
>

I have transposed this now to povray.off-topic.

Thomas

[Stephen] Re: Medieval house #4 [7139 days 1 hour and 57 minutes ago]

Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:00:00 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote:

> Didn't know MacLeod. Shall keep him in mind at my next bookshop visit
> (athought they tend to overexpose Fantasy, imo, and not SF).

Do that, try to start with the earliest series; The Star Fraction (1995),
The Stone Canal (1996), The Cassini Division (1997), The Sky Road (1999),
if you can. Yes there is too much Fantasy for my taste and I like you using
”SF” not “Sci Fi”. That is one of my pet hates :-)

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house #4 [7139 days 23 hours and 21 minutes ago]

Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:36:06 GMT

"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.451f9199dde9b2bbee069fc0@news.povray.org...

>
> It's been so long since I read Dangerous Visions I forgot who edited it. 
> As
> for Michael Moorcock I don't think I've read him in 35 years. I loved him
> when I was a teenager but now his super heroes leave me cold. My latest
> favourite author is Ken MacLeod.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_MacLeod
> His early books were set in Glasgow (my birthplace) and London (where I 
> now
> live) and he is a socialist, to boot.
>
Didn't know MacLeod. Shall keep him in mind at my next bookshop visit 
(athought they tend to overexpose Fantasy, imo, and not SF). As for 
Moorcock, I was more interested in books like Behold the Man or the Ice 
Shooner (which would give some good renders too), but, yes, that was long 
ago...

Thomas

[Stephen] Re: Medieval house #4 [7140 days and 52 minutes ago]

Sun, 1 Oct 2006 10:05:01 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote:
> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> schreef in bericht
> news:451d0324@news.povray.org...
> >
> > Yes indeed, I agree. However, for me it was with Michael Moorcock editing
> > the Dangerous Visions series. For me that was the watershed.
> >
> Correction: Not Michael Moorcock!!! Harlan Ellison was the editor of the
> Dangerous Visions series!!!
> It seems that two different streams of consciousness collided in my brain
> :-)
> Of course, Michael Moorcock's work is a watershed in its own right.
>
> Thomas

It’s been so long since I read Dangerous Visions I forgot who edited it. As
for Michael Moorcock I don’t think I’ve read him in 35 years. I loved him
when I was a teenager but now his super heroes leave me cold. My latest
favourite author is Ken MacLeod.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_MacLeod
His early books were set in Glasgow (my birthplace) and London (where I now
live) and he is a socialist, to boot.

Stephen

[Keith Hull] Another wip piccy [7140 days 22 hours and 9 minutes ago]

Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:47:58 GMT

this is from my Fur2 PlugIn (macros by Margus Ramst)

Regards,

Keith

-- 
http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm

[Keith Hull] PlugIn Piccy [7140 days 22 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:34:50 GMT

PlugIn update, all done in Moray :)

Regards,

Keith

-- 
http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house #4 [7141 days 3 hours and 45 minutes ago]

Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:11:39 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> schreef in bericht 
news:451d0324@news.povray.org...
>
> Yes indeed, I agree. However, for me it was with Michael Moorcock editing 
> the Dangerous Visions series. For me that was the watershed.
>
Correction: Not Michael Moorcock!!! Harlan Ellison was the editor of the 
Dangerous Visions series!!!
It seems that two different streams of consciousness collided in my brain 
:-)
Of course, Michael Moorcock's work is a watershed in its own right.

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house #4 [7141 days 23 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:27:32 GMT

"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.451ccc0ddde9b2bbf1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
>
> I meant it as an impossible challenge :-) The thought beggars my
> imagination.

Hmm... There is that scene, right at the beginning of the book, where the 
woman turns into a tree. That would be interesting to model...

> I must say that Science Fiction took a new turn for me after reading that
> book.

Yes indeed, I agree. However, for me it was with Michael Moorcock editing 
the Dangerous Visions series. For me that was the watershed.

> Did you ever read the short story where Delany had a physical fight with
> Roger Zelazny? It was a symbolic clash over writing styles and who was 
> most
> popular. I think that it was tongue in cheek but I can't remember which of
> them wrote it nor who won.
>
No, I don't remember having read that story...

Thomas

[Stephen] Re: Medieval house #4 [7142 days 3 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:35:00 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht
> news:web.451be14cdde9b2bbf1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
> >
> > What I'd like to see rendered, are scenes from Samuel R. Delany's
> > Dhalgren.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhalgren
> >
> Ah yes!! That's a good suggestion! I loved the novel. Very intriguing (like
> most of Delany's work).
>
> Thomas

I meant it as an impossible challenge :-) The thought beggars my
imagination.
I must say that Science Fiction took a new turn for me after reading that
book.
Did you ever read the short story where Delany had a physical fight with
Roger Zelazny? It was a symbolic clash over writing styles and who was most
popular. I think that it was tongue in cheek but I can’t remember which of
them wrote it nor who won.

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house #4 [7142 days 3 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:05:19 GMT

"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.451be14cdde9b2bbf1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
>
> What I'd like to see rendered, are scenes from Samuel R. Delany's 
> Dhalgren.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhalgren
>
Ah yes!! That's a good suggestion! I loved the novel. Very intriguing (like 
most of Delany's work).

Thomas

[Stephen] Re: Medieval house #4 [7142 days 20 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:55:01 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote:

> >
> Well a bit o-t, but on the other hand we can argue that these novels are
> inspirational for ray-tracing :-) so some discussion is needed.
> Which reminds me of the Mythago Wood books by Robert Holdstock
> http://www.robertholdstock.com/, which are very famous (I've heard) in
> France. There is too a lot of inspiration for ray-tracing. I have not yet
> have had the time to work something out, but it is in the back of my mind.
>

What I’d like to see rendered, are scenes from Samuel R. Delany’s Dhalgren.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhalgren

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house #4 [7142 days 21 hours and 16 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:41:01 GMT

"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht 
news:451bc25e@news.povray.org...
>

> I'm glad if  it was the occasion to  introduce you to /(on?) Discworld :-)
> You're happy that novels can be read at random because it is about the 
> 24th
> one in edition order.
> I didnt read it yet because it has not  been issued yet in paperback 
> edition
> in French.
> BTW French translation is rather good and I happen to know the French
> translator, Patrick Couton who is half musician half translator  (though I
> didn't meet him for some years)
> He got an award for his work on Discworld cycle.
>
> But we are slightly drifting o-t ;-)
>
Well a bit o-t, but on the other hand we can argue that these novels are 
inspirational for ray-tracing :-) so some discussion is needed.
Which reminds me of the Mythago Wood books by Robert Holdstock 
http://www.robertholdstock.com/, which are very famous (I've heard) in 
France. There is too a lot of inspiration for ray-tracing. I have not yet 
have had the time to work something out, but it is in the back of my mind.

Thomas

[Marc] Re: Medieval house #4 [7142 days 22 hours and 18 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:38:54 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
451bb480$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
> news:451b8ef5@news.povray.org...
> >
> > Wow there is stuff enough to build Shortstreet (which as everybody knows
> > is
> > the longest street in Ankh-Morpok)
> >
>
> Oh, by the way, I have been long aware of Terry Pratchett's work, but
never
> really read them. Now, because of this discussion about Ankh-Morpork, I
got
> to the public library and selected (at random) The Fifth Elephant. Well,
not
> so at random, they do not have that much in English, most is in Dutch
> translation which I like less. Anyway, funny story and some funny
> *trouvailles* (how do you say that in English??). I enjoy it. I get a
> feeling about the city now...
>
> Thomas
>
>
I'm glad if  it was the occasion to  introduce you to /(on?) Discworld :-)
You're happy that novels can be read at random because it is about the 24th
one in edition order.
I didnt read it yet because it has not  been issued yet in paperback edition
in French.
BTW French translation is rather good and I happen to know the French
translator, Patrick Couton who is half musician half translator  (though I
didn't meet him for some years)
He got an award for his work on Discworld cycle.

But we are slightly drifting o-t ;-)

Marc

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house #4 [7142 days 23 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:39:44 GMT

"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht 
news:451b8ef5@news.povray.org...
>
> Wow there is stuff enough to build Shortstreet (which as everybody knows 
> is
> the longest street in Ankh-Morpok)
>

Oh, by the way, I have been long aware of Terry Pratchett's work, but never 
really read them. Now, because of this discussion about Ankh-Morpork, I got 
to the public library and selected (at random) The Fifth Elephant. Well, not 
so at random, they do not have that much in English, most is in Dutch 
translation which I like less. Anyway, funny story and some funny 
*trouvailles* (how do you say that in English??). I enjoy it. I get a 
feeling about the city now...

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house #4 [7142 days 23 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:34:15 GMT

"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht 
news:451b8ef5@news.povray.org...
>
>>
> Wow there is stuff enough to build Shortstreet (which as everybody knows 
> is
> the longest street in Ankh-Morpok)
>

Glad you like them :-)

They all need some overhauling, and perhaps some *ageing* or bending of 
beams and so on, but that is a major rebuild. It is quite possible that I 
will port them to Silo as meshes, and work on them from there. That would 
make city building also better in terms of parsing/render memory/time.

Thomas

[Marc] Re: Medieval house #4 [7143 days 1 hour and 57 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:59:33 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
451b8adc@news.povray.org...
> And this is Medieval House #4.
>
Wow there is stuff enough to build Shortstreet (which as everybody knows is
the longest street in Ankh-Morpok)

Marc

[Marc] Re: Medieval house #3 [7143 days 2 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:50:04 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
451b7e9d@news.povray.org...
> Hi all!
>
Thank you Thomas!
A shop! cool.. this one is even better
A little work on textures won't be too much indeed  but the model is nice
:-)

Marc

[Thomas de Groot] Medieval house #4 [7143 days 2 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:42:04 GMT

And this is Medieval House #4.

This one has already been updated somewhat over the years. It is the most 
complex house of the series and can be used on a street corner.

Please note that you can change the font (and text of course) on the sign (I 
used Black Chancery, but I am not sure everybody has that font, so I changed 
it to Arial); The image on the shop sign is the default one in Moray. You 
can can replace it by your own image.

Enjoy!

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Medieval house #3 [7143 days 3 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:49:49 GMT

Hi all!

Following my promise in the thread "another skeleton" in p.b.i., here is 
Medieval House #3. It has not been updated since 2001, so the textures need 
better definition, but I am sure you can do that too :-).

Like in the other houses, all movable parts are... movable, including the 
hoisting beam.

Please note that this is an object file (no camera, no light) and you need 
to merge the house into an existing file.

Enjoy!!

Thomas

[StephenS] Ladder_tread [7254 days 8 hours and 58 minutes ago]

Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:59:09 GMT

Part of a ladder i've been working on, came out better than I thought when I 
started.

Stephen

[Thomas Baier] Re: Smooth Teddy + Moray? [7349 days 15 hours ago]

Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:56:44 GMT

Shire,

SmoothTeddy is designed to be a proove of concept. I dont think that
you can use it in bigger projects.

Anyhow the ideas behind a great, because 
it does two things in a small, neat java application:

mesh subdivision 
and 
painting on polygon meshes.

If you want to make bigger models (and use it without any problems in
POV-Ray) you can look at this tools:

Wings3D (http://www.wings3d.com/), free polygon modeller 
or 
Rheingold3D (http://www.tb-software.com/products2.html), commercial
polygon modeller

and 

Tattoo (http://www.terabit.nildram.co.uk/tattoo/), free realtime mesh
painting software


All 3 tools gives you much more on hand and can be used with POV-Ray.

B&R

-tb

[Shire] Smooth Teddy + Moray? [7359 days 7 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:45:01 GMT

Anybody ever play with this thing?
http://www-ui.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~takeo/java/smoothteddy/  This fellow,
Takeo Igarashi, is an associate professor in Tokyo who researches intuitive
interfaces for design. (I have absolutely no association with him, but
think he's nifty.)

The little java ap I linked to creates rounded organic models from sketches,
as a graphic artist, I delight in it.  I modeled a humpback whale and
painted it in  just under eight minutes (time includes painful restart of
unstable application.)   http://www.skidmore.edu/~c_woodma/tharshebe.jpg

I used to use his older application, Teddy, export the choppy looking models
and then import them into Moray using (so long ago) I think it was Thomas
Baier's obj importer?  But Takeo's second version, smooth teddy, is oh so
sexy satin.

I hadn't seen mention of Takeo's work on this newsgroup in the past so I
thought I'd bring it up.  Really really useful publicly available tools
ought to stick together.  Takeo focuses on working for Carnigie Mellon's
Alice project with his Teddy programs, meaning Smooth teddy outputs to a
nearly useless *.asg file. The only converter I've seen is a link off of
Takeo's page, http://www.dadim.org/norbert/xsl/ and in the past has needed
a little tweaking before it works.

I understand nothing of formats and programming, I am lucky when my hello
world programs don't somehow produce an overflow error.  Would it be hard
to make an asg become a udo/mdl?

-Shire
gry### [at] gmailcom

[StephenS] Re: Mechanical Iris [7410 days 23 hours and 49 minutes ago]

Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:07:36 GMT

> I need to figure out how to make an iris that's a segment of a sphere,
next.
>
> --
> Tim Cook
Nice layout, and very easy to read. I see now where your coments about
needing more space for names comes from.

Stephen

[Tim Cook] Re: Mechanical Iris [7411 days 6 hours and 1 minute ago]

Tue, 3 Jan 2006 04:55:33 GMT

povray wrote:
> I can't figure out how to make it open and close. IK?

Nope, just one part *looks* the CSG "Iris_Leaf0" in the group 
"Iris_Leaf01" that's not locked that you can rotate, and the duplicates 
that rotate the same amount 'cuz they're all duplicatey and stuff.

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[povray] Re: Mechanical Iris [7411 days 7 hours and 40 minutes ago]

Tue, 3 Jan 2006 03:17:20 GMT

Cool.
I can't figure out how to make it open and close. IK?
Steve Shelby

"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> wrote in message 
news:43b747d1@news.povray.org...
>I need to figure out how to make an iris that's a segment of a sphere, 
>next.
>
> -- 
> Tim Cook
> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean
>
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.12
> GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
> N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
> PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
> D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>

[Tim Cook] Mechanical Iris [7413 days 7 hours and 48 minutes ago]

Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:09:05 GMT

I need to figure out how to make an iris that's a segment of a sphere, next.

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[jej0923] help [7467 days 17 hours and 10 minutes ago]

Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:47:24 GMT

I have a class of computer skills .
I must learn how to use the news of Outlook Express .
And my teacher hope we can connect with other foreigner.
I want to knew how do you think about H5N1 effecting the whole world.
Could you give me some feedback?
Thanks!

[Tim Cook] Re: Camera Orbit Demo [7473 days 22 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:37:17 GMT

(made with Moray 3.5)

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[Tim Cook] Camera Orbit Demo [7473 days 22 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:36:47 GMT

Example .mdl of using a camera reference object inside a rotating group 
to smoothly orbit an object in an animation.

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[Remy Closset] Re: Help please [7514 days and 54 minutes ago]

Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:02:26 GMT

Thomas

Thank you very much for your answer. In fact, I use the 3dwin plugin to 
import in moray. It seems to be the problem. Only one thing I do not 
understand: if I clear all the materials attached to the meshes and reassign 
with new materials the render does not work. Have you an answer?

Friendly

Rémy

"Thomas Baier" <NOS### [at] stmuccom> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 5hj4j1pogsa3sshta6osnudh4m3f85e0m2@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:54:54 +0200, "Remy Closset"
> <rem### [at] tiscalifr> wrote:
>
> if you import your meshes via 3DWin Plugin, make shure that all
> material reference attached to this mesh have unique names!!!
>
> Works:
>
> textures
> {
> default, // 0
> default1 // 1
> }
>
> faces
> {
> ...
> <1,2,3>,0
> <3,4,5>,1 // ok, because 1 references to default1
> }
>
> Does not work
>
> textures
> {
> default, // 0
> default  // 1
> }
>
> faces
> {
> ...
> <1,2,3>,0
> <3,4,5>,1 // nok, because 1 references same material as
> 0
>
> }
>
> Moray seems to optimize equal material references during import
>
> -tb
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>I imported meshes in last Moray beta build 9370. When I'm launching the
>>rendering, I get the following message
>>
>>File: essai.pov  Line: 17461
>>    <4, 45, 89>, 0,
>>
>>    <31, 90, 46>, 1, <----ERROR
>>
>>Parse Error: Texture index out of range in mesh2.
>>Returned from renderer with error status
>>
>>If I  kill all the original textures of the meshes, it works correctly 
>>with
>>the default red color of moray.
>>Only the branches of the glasses accept a newer texture.
>>I tried to rename each mesh. No result.
>>I tried to assign a different material to each mesh. No result to.
>>Have somebody an idea?
>>
>>Thanks for your help
>>
>>Friendly
>>Rémy
>>
>>I join the mdl file, called essai.mdl
>>You can only open with the beta version
>>
>>
>>
>

[Thomas Baier] Re: Help please [7514 days 4 hours and 30 minutes ago]

Thu, 22 Sep 2005 06:26:26 GMT

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:54:54 +0200, "Remy Closset"
<rem### [at] tiscalifr> wrote:

if you import your meshes via 3DWin Plugin, make shure that all
material reference attached to this mesh have unique names!!!

Works:

textures
{
	default,	// 0
	default1 // 1
}

faces
{
...
	<1,2,3>,0
	<3,4,5>,1	// ok, because 1 references to default1
}

Does not work

textures
{
	default,	// 0
	default  // 1
}

faces
{
...
	<1,2,3>,0
	<3,4,5>,1	// nok, because 1 references same material as
0

}

Moray seems to optimize equal material references during import

-tb

>Hi all
>
>I imported meshes in last Moray beta build 9370. When I'm launching the
>rendering, I get the following message
>
>File: essai.pov  Line: 17461
>    <4, 45, 89>, 0,
>
>    <31, 90, 46>, 1, <----ERROR
>
>Parse Error: Texture index out of range in mesh2.
>Returned from renderer with error status
>
>If I  kill all the original textures of the meshes, it works correctly with
>the default red color of moray.
>Only the branches of the glasses accept a newer texture.
>I tried to rename each mesh. No result.
>I tried to assign a different material to each mesh. No result to.
>Have somebody an idea?
>
>Thanks for your help
>
>Friendly
>Rémy
>
>I join the mdl file, called essai.mdl
>You can only open with the beta version
>
>
>

[Remy Closset] Help please [7518 days 2 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:55:11 GMT

Hi all

I imported meshes in last Moray beta build 9370. When I'm launching the
rendering, I get the following message

File: essai.pov  Line: 17461
    <4, 45, 89>, 0,

    <31, 90, 46>, 1, <----ERROR

Parse Error: Texture index out of range in mesh2.
Returned from renderer with error status

If I  kill all the original textures of the meshes, it works correctly with
the default red color of moray.
Only the branches of the glasses accept a newer texture.
I tried to rename each mesh. No result.
I tried to assign a different material to each mesh. No result to.
Have somebody an idea?

Thanks for your help

Friendly
Rémy

I join the mdl file, called essai.mdl
You can only open with the beta version

[Keith] Re: TomTree rar file [7535 days 16 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:32:03 GMT

Hmm, could be, but i'm not worried about it as I've changed FTP clients and
its working now :)

Have fun!

Regards,

Keith

"Tim Riley" <tim### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
news:43150af4$1@news.povray.org...
> Keith Hull wrote:
> > Very strange when I upload this file to my website it always gets
corrupted,
> > however this version works fine :)
>
> Comparing the corrupted version I downloaded off of your web site
> earlier, and the good version I got from the newsgroup, it turns out
> that every instance (five total) of a 0D 0A couplet in the good version
> is converted to a single 0A in the corrupted version. It's opposite of
> what you would suspect to happen if you were transferring a binary file
> in ASCII mode. Could this be a MAC/PC discrepancy?
>
> Thanks for straightening it out though. Now it's time to play.

[Tim Riley] Re: TomTree rar file [7536 days 9 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:42:12 GMT

Keith Hull wrote:
> Very strange when I upload this file to my website it always gets corrupted, 
> however this version works fine :)

Comparing the corrupted version I downloaded off of your web site 
earlier, and the good version I got from the newsgroup, it turns out 
that every instance (five total) of a 0D 0A couplet in the good version 
is converted to a single 0A in the corrupted version. It's opposite of 
what you would suspect to happen if you were transferring a binary file 
in ASCII mode. Could this be a MAC/PC discrepancy?

Thanks for straightening it out though. Now it's time to play.

[Keith Hull] Re: TomTree rar file [7536 days 10 hours and 45 minutes ago]

Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:11:33 GMT

Works on the Website as well now :)

Regards,

Keith

"Keith Hull" <kei### [at] yahoocouk> wrote in message 
news:4314f027$1@news.povray.org...
> Very strange when I upload this file to my website it always gets 
> corrupted, however this version works fine :)
>
>
> "Keith Hull" <kei### [at] yahoocouk> wrote in message 
> news:4314ebb1@news.povray.org...
>> Have fun, hopefully this is not corrupt :P
>>
>> -- 
>> http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm
>>
>>
>
>

[Keith Hull] Re: TomTree rar file [7536 days 11 hours and 9 minutes ago]

Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:47:51 GMT

Very strange when I upload this file to my website it always gets corrupted, 
however this version works fine :)


"Keith Hull" <kei### [at] yahoocouk> wrote in message 
news:4314ebb1@news.povray.org...
> Have fun, hopefully this is not corrupt :P
>
> -- 
> http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm
>
>

[Keith Hull] TomTree rar file [7536 days 11 hours and 28 minutes ago]

Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:28:49 GMT

Have fun, hopefully this is not corrupt :P

-- 
http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm

[Keith Hull] Re: GrassAndFlower PlugIn Available [7544 days 17 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:25:37 GMT

Im using WinRar 3.2

Regards,

Keith

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:43097bd8@news.povray.org...
>
> "Keith Hull" <me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> a écrit dans le message de
> news:4308d8f1$1@news.povray.org...
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The above PlugIn is now available from my web site....
>>
>> http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
> Sorry I can't!
> WinRAR says all file headers are corrupted :(
> (of course I re-downloaded the .rar but no change)
> Is it just me?
> Marc
>
>

[Paolo Gibellini] Re: GrassAndFlower PlugIn Available [7545 days and 35 minutes ago]

Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:21:46 GMT

Try to update your WinRAR.
I've opened correctly the archive with version 3.42.
;-)
Paolo

>"Marc Jacquier" wrote:
> Sorry I can't!
> WinRAR says all file headers are corrupted :(
> (of course I re-downloaded the .rar but no change)
> Is it just me?
> Marc

[Marc Jacquier] Re: GrassAndFlower PlugIn Available [7545 days 3 hours and 40 minutes ago]

Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:16:40 GMT

"Keith Hull" <me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> a écrit dans le message de
news:4308d8f1$1@news.povray.org...
> Hi All,
>
> The above PlugIn is now available from my web site....
>
> http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm
>
> Enjoy!
>
Sorry I can't!
WinRAR says all file headers are corrupted :(
(of course I re-downloaded the .rar but no change)
Is it just me?
Marc

[Keith Hull] GrassAndFlower PlugIn Available [7545 days 15 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:41:37 GMT

Hi All,

The above PlugIn is now available from my web site....

http://www.net4free.org/Computers/KeithsPovrayPage/plugins.htm

Enjoy!

Regards,

Keith

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7551 days 3 hours ago]

Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:57:01 GMT

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:52:19 +0100, "Keith Hull"
<me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> wrote:

>It can now .......
>
>
>"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
>news:42f4efaa$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> "Keith Hull" <me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> a écrit dans le message de
>> news:42f4ee9d@news.povray.org...

>>>
>> Looks yummy :-) can it use trace() function?
>>
>> Marc
>>

Looking good

[Marc Jacquier] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7551 days 3 hours and 38 minutes ago]

Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:18:56 GMT

"Keith Hull" <me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> a écrit dans le message de
news:43011bfe@news.povray.org...
> It can now .......
>
>
Hey great :D

Marc

[Keith Hull] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7551 days 12 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:49:34 GMT

It can now .......


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:42f4efaa$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "Keith Hull" <me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> a écrit dans le message de
> news:42f4ee9d@news.povray.org...
>> Well, you asked for it, you are most definitely wrong :D, it works almost
>> perfectly and I'm currently adding buttons to preselect various flower
>> types, so far I have Poppies, Tulips, Daffs, Daisies and will add the
> others
>> that came with the Inc file plus a few others such as Day Lily's and any
>> others I can think of, and that will fit the inc files parameters. If you
>> have any ideas or parameters already setup for other flower types, please
>> post them here :)
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Keith
>>
> Looks yummy :-) can it use trace() function?
>
> Marc
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7559 days 3 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:14:13 GMT

"Stephen McAvoy" <mca### [at] aolcom> schreef in bericht
news:jrfaf1t48dtuf1gta3iqnmvn6d592upp3p@4ax.com...
>
> I look forward to the release.
>

Me too!

Thomas

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7560 days 12 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:55:04 GMT

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:11:50 +0100, "Keith Hull"
<me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> wrote:

>Well, you asked for it, you are most definitely wrong :D

Seldom have I been so pleased to be wrong :-)

I look forward to the release.

Regards
        Stephen

[Keith Hull] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7560 days 17 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:23:36 GMT

It cant at the moment but there is know reason that I know of why my
code for GTGrass could not be incorporated, I'll look into it :)

Regards,

Keith

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:42f4efaa$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "Keith Hull" <me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> a écrit dans le message de
> news:42f4ee9d@news.povray.org...
>> Well, you asked for it, you are most definitely wrong :D, it works almost
>> perfectly and I'm currently adding buttons to preselect various flower
>> types, so far I have Poppies, Tulips, Daffs, Daisies and will add the
> others
>> that came with the Inc file plus a few others such as Day Lily's and any
>> others I can think of, and that will fit the inc files parameters. If you
>> have any ideas or parameters already setup for other flower types, please
>> post them here :)
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Keith
>>
> Looks yummy :-) can it use trace() function?
>
> Marc
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7560 days 17 hours and 44 minutes ago]

Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:13:14 GMT

"Keith Hull" <me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> a écrit dans le message de
news:42f4ee9d@news.povray.org...
> Well, you asked for it, you are most definitely wrong :D, it works almost
> perfectly and I'm currently adding buttons to preselect various flower
> types, so far I have Poppies, Tulips, Daffs, Daisies and will add the
others
> that came with the Inc file plus a few others such as Day Lily's and any
> others I can think of, and that will fit the inc files parameters. If you
> have any ideas or parameters already setup for other flower types, please
> post them here :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Keith
>
Looks yummy :-) can it use trace() function?

Marc

[Keith Hull] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7560 days 17 hours and 48 minutes ago]

Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:08:45 GMT

Well, you asked for it, you are most definitely wrong :D, it works almost 
perfectly and I'm currently adding buttons to preselect various flower 
types, so far I have Poppies, Tulips, Daffs, Daisies and will add the others 
that came with the Inc file plus a few others such as Day Lily's and any 
others I can think of, and that will fit the inc files parameters. If you 
have any ideas or parameters already setup for other flower types, please 
post them here :)

Best Regards,

Keith

"Stephen McAvoy" <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote in message 
news:jth9f1pura1l14qfeak3n0dp249cnnhkcc@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:25:42 +0100, "Keith Hull"
> <me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> wrote:
>
>>It wont be ready for a while but it's looking good.....
>>
>>Hopefully Outlook will attach the piccy..
>>
> When is it due out, April the first?
> From your picy that's got to be a mock up.
> Please tell me I'm wrong :-)
>
>
> Regards
>        Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7560 days 20 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:22:44 GMT

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:25:42 +0100, "Keith Hull"
<me### [at] khull666fsnetcouk> wrote:

>It wont be ready for a while but it's looking good.....
>
>Hopefully Outlook will attach the piccy.. 
>
When is it due out, April the first?
From your picy that's got to be a mock up. 
Please tell me I'm wrong :-)


Regards
        Stephen

[Keith Hull] GrassAndFlower Plugin ;) [7563 days 16 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:22:39 GMT

It wont be ready for a while but it's looking good.....

Hopefully Outlook will attach the piccy..

[The Nerd Show] Moray running on Linux [7573 days 5 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:15:00 GMT

This isn't a linux port.  Rather, it is Moray running in a windows emulator.

System specs:
Fedora Core 4 x86_64 running on AMD64 2800+
QEMU running Windows XP and Moray from iso image.

[Henry] Re: Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7588 days 13 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:31:51 GMT

"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message 
news:t870d1tasnbs5tnutffmsatfcdt1fr4t11@4ax.com...
> Hi Henry, you recently wrote in moray.binaries:
>
>> I'm actually toying with yet another idea...  The shapes use the mesh2
>> format, which fits nicely into UDO.
> I would suggest avoiding UDO if at all possible. If you are using the
> SDK, use the functions that create a mesh object instead, since that
> maps perfectly to mesh2. If you need an example of how to create a
> mesh2, let me know.
>
> - Lutz
>  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
>  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

No, you misunderstand.  I'm already using mesh2 and my plugin is working 
fine.  I'm just thinking of exposing some of its configuration in a 
user-editable file.  Perhaps I should include an .inc file that users can 
modify.

What I really need is to take what I have learned so far and go find a 
programming or design job so I can afford to buy the full license for Moray. 
I think you have a great product and it was a pleasure to learn C++ while 
working with your SDK.

Henry
www.thenerdshow.com

[Lutz Kretzschmar] Re: Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7588 days 16 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:54:33 GMT

Hi Henry, you recently wrote in moray.binaries:

> I'm actually toying with yet another idea...  The shapes use the mesh2 
> format, which fits nicely into UDO.  
I would suggest avoiding UDO if at all possible. If you are using the
SDK, use the functions that create a mesh object instead, since that
maps perfectly to mesh2. If you need an example of how to create a
mesh2, let me know.

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

[Henry] Re: Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7588 days 23 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:25:50 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message 
news:42cf7c4b@news.povray.org...
>
> "Henry" <use_the_feedback_form@site> schreef in bericht
> news:42cd5a64$1@news.povray.org...
>> New improved versions of both plugins are out now.  Many of the problems
> are
>> fixed.  I went ahead and converted everything to use spinners, since
> that's
>> all anyone can seem to figure out.  I went a step further and had the
>> spinner update the text label.  Seems to work fine.
>>
>
> Excellent, Henry! ...and almost perfect!
> What I would like now, are the platonic objects to be oriented *correctly*
> in their most basic shape, i.e. with subdivision 0. So, the octahedron 
> would
> be balanced on its point, the cube and tetrahedron on one of their faces,
> etc. like in the example small images.
> Would that be possible?
>
> Thomas
>

Very possible.  It looks like the tetrahedron and icosahedron are the only 
ones that are on edge.  I suppose the tetrahedron should rest on a face and 
the icosahedron should balance on a point.  I would just need to re-orient 
the coordinates.  Luckily, this is easy to do because Moray can convert the 
object to mesh in any orientation.

I'm actually toying with yet another idea...  The shapes use the mesh2 
format, which fits nicely into UDO.  What I am thinking is allowing for the 
tessellation of a UDO object.  The only problem with that idea is Moray will 
crash when I exceed the size of the vertex array.  Thus I would need to 
re-declare the arrays as dynamic.  Also, there is the the potential problem 
of people supplying incompatible shapes.  I don't even want to know what 
would happen if somebody tried to tessellate chess.udo.

Henry

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7589 days 3 hours and 30 minutes ago]

Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:27:07 GMT

"Henry" <use_the_feedback_form@site> schreef in bericht
news:42cd5a64$1@news.povray.org...
> New improved versions of both plugins are out now.  Many of the problems
are
> fixed.  I went ahead and converted everything to use spinners, since
that's
> all anyone can seem to figure out.  I went a step further and had the
> spinner update the text label.  Seems to work fine.
>

Excellent, Henry! ...and almost perfect!
What I would like now, are the platonic objects to be oriented *correctly*
in their most basic shape, i.e. with subdivision 0. So, the octahedron would
be balanced on its point, the cube and tetrahedron on one of their faces,
etc. like in the example small images.
Would that be possible?

Thomas

[Remy Closset] Re: Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7590 days 17 hours and 38 minutes ago]

Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:18:48 GMT

Hurrah! Henry the TMI plugin works fine. I imported the cow. Its 
perfect!!!!!!!!!!!
One thousend mercis.

Rémy

"Henry" <use_the_feedback_form@site> a écrit dans le message de news: 
42cd5a64$1@news.povray.org...
> New improved versions of both plugins are out now.  Many of the problems 
> are fixed.  I went ahead and converted everything to use spinners, since 
> that's all anyone can seem to figure out.  I went a step further and had 
> the spinner update the text label.  Seems to work fine.
>
> Henry
>
> www.thenerdshow.com
>
>
>

[Henry] Re: Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7590 days 18 hours and 19 minutes ago]

Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:37:56 GMT

New improved versions of both plugins are out now.  Many of the problems are 
fixed.  I went ahead and converted everything to use spinners, since that's 
all anyone can seem to figure out.  I went a step further and had the 
spinner update the text label.  Seems to work fine.

Henry

www.thenerdshow.com

[Henry] Re: TMI plugin [7592 days 14 hours and 11 minutes ago]

Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:46:23 GMT

It adds the imports/exports to the file menu.  I used the PDB import as a 
template.

A new version of the TMI (Triangle Mesh Import/Export) will be out in a day 
or so.  The one I am working on now automatically compensates for the 
difference in coordinate sysems between VRML 2.0 and Moray, so the scenes 
load up facing the right way.  Also, I will be putting in VRML 1.0 support 
and scenes containing several objects will be put into a group so they can 
be transformed all at once.  Oh, and a crude scaling effect, so imports 
won't be too small or too large to see.  .DXF will be getting an overhaul 
also.  I'm fixing an endless loop condition when new triangles can't find a 
place in the existing mesh to connect to.

Henry
www.thenerdshow.com

[Remy Closset] TMI plugin [7592 days 19 hours and 40 minutes ago]

Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:17:19 GMT

Hi Henry

I dowloaded the TMI Plugin and installad it into the Moray plugin directory. 
I see it in th elist of plugins, view/loaded plugins. But I don't see any 
button to launch the tool! Can you help me?

Friendly
Rémy

[Henry] Re: Shoes.mdl [7593 days 10 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Tue, 5 Jul 2005 00:27:55 GMT

Doh... Outlook top-posted on me.  Sorry.  The link should be fixed now.

Henry
www.thenerdshow.com

[Remy Closset] Re: New plugin [7593 days 14 hours and 53 minutes ago]

Mon, 4 Jul 2005 20:03:56 GMT

Thanks Henry. The 3d vrml models are very fine

Rémy
"Henry" <use### [at] comptunecom> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 42c99381$1@news.povray.org...
> The new version should be out now.  Then the link will be fixed.
>

[Henry] New plugin [7593 days 15 hours and 4 minutes ago]

Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:52:33 GMT

The new version should be out now.  Then the link will be fixed.

[leseur sylvain] Re: Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7593 days 18 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:50:02 GMT

Great, but why do you call it "Dome"?
What's in the futur version?
A great interest for TMI, but i can't download it?
Friendly
Sylvain


"The Nerd Show" <nomail@nomail> a écrit dans le message de
news:web.42c47ffbbf390932a797a0a60@news.povray.org...
> I am releasing two plugins for Moray 3.5.
>
> Domer Plugin (With RanDome) for Moray 3.5  pushes your polyhedron palette,
> delegating the difficulties of digital dome design to the desktop.
> Triangulation and tessellation of the 5 platonic solids,  cube
tetrahedron,
> octahedron, icosahedron, and dodecahedron, gives you a a plethora of
> polytopes to play with at your next polygon party.  Well, it beats
watching
> the tube.  Also included are icosidodecahedron and octahexacube.
>
> "RanDome" Plugin.  This random hull creation tool helps you to model
> natural-looking objects, such as rocks, potatoes, pine cones, flowers,
> nuts, seeds, etc.  Although it deserves a title of its own, I have
included
> it inside the above Domer plugin.
>
> Technical note:  Domer objects will not render in the PoV raytracer until
> you convert them to mesh from the Edit menu.  This may change in a future
> release.
>
> ===================
>
> TMI Plugin (Triangle Mesh Importer, Now With VRML Export).  This plugin
for
> Moray 3.5 sews together up to 1,000 individual triangles into one
> contiguous mesh.  We all know there is nothing worse on your first
internet
> date than looking down and realizing your avatar's mesh has decomposed
into
> triangles, ..right?  The extra vertices and edges lead to limp browser
> performance, not to mention hair loss.  Well, use this mesh enhancement
> add-on to sew them back together into a more rigid and durable structure!
> Also handy for importing raw triangle collections from programs, such as
> AutoCad .DXF, .PoVRay .POV or .INC (might work with others).
>
> VRML Exporter (Included in the TMI plugin, above).  This tool exports a
mesh
> of triangles or quads to .WRL (VRML97 Indexed Face Set), so you can use
> Moray's superior interface for online 3D content creation.  The VRML
export
> does not support primitives.  I saw no need for this, since Moray can
> easily convert primitives to mesh, prior to export.  Mesh objects render
> faster in VRML anyway.  And, finally, primitives aren't known for their
> social behavior.  They could, for example, decide to render differently
> than expected.
>
> I have attached the domer plugin.  The TMI plugin is available on my
> website, www.thenerdshow.com
>
> Enjoy!
>
>

[leseur sylvain] Re: Shoes.mdl [7593 days 18 hours and 11 minutes ago]

Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:45:56 GMT

The same for me, i can't download it???
Friendly
Sylvain


"Remy Closset" <rem### [at] tiscalifr> a écrit dans le message de
news:42c959d3@news.povray.org...
> Hi
>
> I tried download TMI plugin, but the link to do it does'nt work. Can
> somebody do something?
>
> Friendly
> Rémy Closset
> "Henry" <use### [at] comptunecom> a écrit dans le message de
> news: 42c8d959@news.povray.org...
> >A highly-detailed pair of sneakers imported from VRML2.0 to Moray and
> >(badly) colored by me.  This was done with the (not yet released) full
> >version of the Triangle Mesh Importer plugin, available on
> >www.thenerdshow.com.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the free version of the plugin won't work for such large
> > files (yet).  And the full version is still under development.
> >
> > The original VRML2.0 object came from a library that some guy had
> > converted from DXF and posted here
> > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~gotsman/rendering/vrml/
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
>
>

[Remy Closset] Re: Shoes.mdl [7593 days 19 hours and 10 minutes ago]

Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:46:27 GMT

Hi

I tried download TMI plugin, but the link to do it does'nt work. Can 
somebody do something?

Friendly
Rémy Closset
"Henry" <use### [at] comptunecom> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 42c8d959@news.povray.org...
>A highly-detailed pair of sneakers imported from VRML2.0 to Moray and 
>(badly) colored by me.  This was done with the (not yet released) full 
>version of the Triangle Mesh Importer plugin, available on 
>www.thenerdshow.com.
>
> Unfortunately, the free version of the plugin won't work for such large 
> files (yet).  And the full version is still under development.
>
> The original VRML2.0 object came from a library that some guy had 
> converted from DXF and posted here 
> http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~gotsman/rendering/vrml/
>
> Henry
>
>

[Henry] Shoes.mdl [7594 days 4 hours and 19 minutes ago]

Mon, 4 Jul 2005 06:38:17 GMT

A highly-detailed pair of sneakers imported from VRML2.0 to Moray and 
(badly) colored by me.  This was done with the (not yet released) full 
version of the Triangle Mesh Importer plugin, available on 
www.thenerdshow.com.

Unfortunately, the free version of the plugin won't work for such large 
files (yet).  And the full version is still under development.

The original VRML2.0 object came from a library that some guy had converted 
from DXF and posted here 
http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~gotsman/rendering/vrml/

Henry

[Henry] Re: Evolution of "Smiling Alien" [7594 days 7 hours and 55 minutes ago]

Mon, 4 Jul 2005 03:01:28 GMT

I just subdivide the rough model and then SHIFT-click (not drag) to select 
faces or points.  Click and drag, as you say, will get front and back.  But 
shift-click gets only the front.  Transforming the faces in the crude model 
makes finer changes to the subdivision surface.  When the subdivision 
surface looks good you can convert to mesh and repeat.

Deselecting the Outline checkbox under Display helps ease the clutter.

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7595 days 3 hours and 53 minutes ago]

Sun, 3 Jul 2005 07:03:57 GMT

"The Nerd Show" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
news:web.42c47ffbbf390932a797a0a60@news.povray.org...
> I am releasing two plugins for Moray 3.5.
>
Thanks for the good work!
>
> I have attached the domer plugin.  The TMI plugin is available on my
> website, www.thenerdshow.com
>
I have tried Domer. I am less interested in TMI, so, for the time being, I
left it aside.

Domer works fine. One little bug only: the word 'Scale' appears at the top
right while it should be above the appropriate toggles lower down.

Changing the platonic forms does not immediately changes the object on
screen, but only after toggling one of the other buttons. That is annoying
because one wants to see the different forms right away and only afterwards
change the settings.

In fact, I wonder if the name is appropriate as the object created is not
strictly a 'dome' (like the dome plugin by Philippe Gibone, which I
recommend). A (terrible!) name could be 'PlatoBuilder'    :-)    oh,
well....


Thomas

[Steve Shelby] Re: Head Model [7595 days 22 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:40:08 GMT

"The Nerd Show" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message 
news:web.42c47e66537baa92a797a0a60@news.povray.org...
> This attachment appears corrupt to Winzip 8.  I tried downloading it again
> and WinAce 2.2 also failed to open it with a CRC error.
>
I just tried it with Winzip and Cute Zip, and it worked perfectly on both.
Steve Shelby

[Remy Closset] Re: Evolution of "Smiling Alien" [7596 days 1 hour and 24 minutes ago]

Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:32:49 GMT

Extra. But did'nt you have trouble with selecting points of the front and at 
the back. A really good option would be to may choose to see and to select 
only front points, something like in Wings.

Friendly
Rémy
"The Nerd Show" <nomail@nomail> a écrit dans le message de news: 
web.42c612928b54ba28a797a0a60@news.povray.org...
>A humanoid face created 100% in Moray.
>
>


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[The Nerd Show] Evolution of "Smiling Alien" [7596 days 6 hours and 47 minutes ago]

Sat, 2 Jul 2005 04:10:01 GMT

A humanoid face created 100% in Moray.

[The Nerd Show] Domer Plugin, TMI Plugin C++ [7597 days 11 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:35:01 GMT

I am releasing two plugins for Moray 3.5.

Domer Plugin (With RanDome) for Moray 3.5  pushes your polyhedron palette,
delegating the difficulties of digital dome design to the desktop.
Triangulation and tessellation of the 5 platonic solids,  cube tetrahedron,
octahedron, icosahedron, and dodecahedron, gives you a a plethora of
polytopes to play with at your next polygon party.  Well, it beats watching
the tube.  Also included are icosidodecahedron and octahexacube.

"RanDome" Plugin.  This random hull creation tool helps you to model
natural-looking objects, such as rocks, potatoes, pine cones, flowers,
nuts, seeds, etc.  Although it deserves a title of its own, I have included
it inside the above Domer plugin.

Technical note:  Domer objects will not render in the PoV raytracer until
you convert them to mesh from the Edit menu.  This may change in a future
release.

===================

TMI Plugin (Triangle Mesh Importer, Now With VRML Export).  This plugin for
Moray 3.5 sews together up to 1,000 individual triangles into one
contiguous mesh.  We all know there is nothing worse on your first internet
date than looking down and realizing your avatar's mesh has decomposed into
triangles, ..right?  The extra vertices and edges lead to limp browser
performance, not to mention hair loss.  Well, use this mesh enhancement
add-on to sew them back together into a more rigid and durable structure!
Also handy for importing raw triangle collections from programs, such as
AutoCad .DXF, .PoVRay .POV or .INC (might work with others).

VRML Exporter (Included in the TMI plugin, above).  This tool exports a mesh
of triangles or quads to .WRL (VRML97 Indexed Face Set), so you can use
Moray's superior interface for online 3D content creation.  The VRML export
does not support primitives.  I saw no need for this, since Moray can
easily convert primitives to mesh, prior to export.  Mesh objects render
faster in VRML anyway.  And, finally, primitives aren't known for their
social behavior.  They could, for example, decide to render differently
than expected.

I have attached the domer plugin.  The TMI plugin is available on my
website, www.thenerdshow.com

Enjoy!

[The Nerd Show] Re: Head Model [7597 days 11 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:25:01 GMT

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] shelbyvisioncom> wrote:
> Here's the source for the head model (see moray.win thread "New website
> Online"). Be sure to put the jpg files in the right places in the material
> editor.
> Steve Shelby

This attachment appears corrupt to Winzip 8.  I tried downloading it again
and WinAce 2.2 also failed to open it with a CRC error.

[Remy Closset] Re: JazzBass.mdl (583kB zip) [7626 days 4 hours and 38 minutes ago]

Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:18:44 GMT

Thanks for your send Marc. It's the best manner to progress, to compare my 
own textures with yours.

friendly
rémy
"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> a écrit dans le message de news: 
429e0651@news.povray.org...
> Hi Here is the Moray file of the JazzBass object I posted on
> povray.binaries.images
>
> Feel free to play with it :-)
>
> Marc
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] JazzBass.mdl (583kB zip) [7626 days 15 hours and 54 minutes ago]

Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:02:41 GMT

Hi Here is the Moray file of the JazzBass object I posted on
povray.binaries.images

Feel free to play with it :-)

Marc

[A-DESIGN] Re: Rendering [7656 days 4 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Tue, 3 May 2005 06:39:55 GMT

Thanks marc.

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:427371d6$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "A-DESIGN" <afs### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
> news:426df5b9$1@news.povray.org...
>> Thanks Marc,
>> No I haven't used Moray,but in order to make the sun brighter should I
>> change the ambient in global setting or I should change something else ?
>>
>> Afshin.
>>
>>
> No don't touch ambient.
> You have to find the light_source which plays the sun role and multiply 
> its
> rgb value by 1.5 for example
>
> HTH
>
> Marc
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Rendering [7658 days 23 hours and 3 minutes ago]

Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:53:58 GMT

"A-DESIGN" <afs### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
news:426df5b9$1@news.povray.org...
> Thanks Marc,
> No I haven't used Moray,but in order to make the sun brighter should I
> change the ambient in global setting or I should change something else ?
>
> Afshin.
>
>
No don't touch ambient.
You have to find the light_source which plays the sun role and multiply its
rgb value by 1.5 for example

HTH

Marc

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Rendering [7662 days 3 hours and 35 minutes ago]

Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:22:12 GMT

"A-DESIGN" <afs### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht
news:426dec00@news.povray.org...
> Here is a new rendering that I have done by using Chief Architect and
POVRAY
> V3.6 ,I made an export set by Chief then did some modification on the file
> in POVRAY and finally rendered the file in POVRAY, any comments are
welcome
> if you have any comments please tell me how I should apply it, because I
am
> new and this is my first rendering by using POVRAY.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Afshin K.
>
>
>
If no Moray, then post in p.b.i.
I like this. However (there always is a however!), I suppose that Chief
Architect works with image maps for the textures? For the walls this is not
so apparent, so perhaps that is not true there, but for the roof it is
perturbing. The tiles have no third dimension, especially visible at the
roof crest. It depends what the scene is to be used for, but a more 3D roof
would be better, imo.
In that same line of thinking, the wall texture could use some normals for a
more interesting aspect.
The entrance pavement is very reflective, almost mirror-like. Try turning
that down a little bit for a more natural look.

Thomas

[A-DESIGN] Re: Rendering [7663 days 2 hours and 54 minutes ago]

Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:03:05 GMT

Thanks Marc,
No I haven't used Moray,but in order to make the sun brighter should I 
change the ambient in global setting or I should change something else ?

Afshin.


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:426df025@news.povray.org...
>
> "A-DESIGN" <afs### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
> news:426dec00@news.povray.org...
>> Here is a new rendering that I have done by using Chief Architect and
> POVRAY
>> V3.6 ,I made an export set by Chief then did some modification on the 
>> file
>> in POVRAY and finally rendered the file in POVRAY, any comments are
> welcome
>> if you have any comments please tell me how I should apply it, because I
> am
>> new and this is my first rendering by using POVRAY.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Afshin K.
>>
> The 1st reflection which comes to my mind is : sun should be brighter.
>
> Did you use Moray?
> If not, maybe this group is not the right place to post your work :-)
> povray.binaries.images sould be better
>
> Marc
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Rendering [7663 days 3 hours and 18 minutes ago]

Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:39:17 GMT

"A-DESIGN" <afs### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
news:426dec00@news.povray.org...
> Here is a new rendering that I have done by using Chief Architect and
POVRAY
> V3.6 ,I made an export set by Chief then did some modification on the file
> in POVRAY and finally rendered the file in POVRAY, any comments are
welcome
> if you have any comments please tell me how I should apply it, because I
am
> new and this is my first rendering by using POVRAY.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Afshin K.
>
The 1st reflection which comes to my mind is : sun should be brighter.

Did you use Moray?
If not, maybe this group is not the right place to post your work :-)
povray.binaries.images sould be better

Marc

[A-DESIGN] Rendering [7663 days 3 hours and 35 minutes ago]

Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:21:36 GMT

Here is a new rendering that I have done by using Chief Architect and POVRAY
V3.6 ,I made an export set by Chief then did some modification on the file
in POVRAY and finally rendered the file in POVRAY, any comments are welcome
if you have any comments please tell me how I should apply it, because I am
new and this is my first rendering by using POVRAY.

Thanks in advance.
Afshin K.

[StephenS] Press, orthographic views (Cam.lua plugin rewrite) [7684 days 9 hours and 11 minutes ago]

Tue, 5 Apr 2005 01:46:22 GMT

I've been working on my camera plugin.
Not yet ready for regular scene use, but getting better.
Additional information available linked from:
http://ca.geocities.com/morayplugin

This is four separate pictures combined into one.

Comments welcome

Stephen

[Steve Shelby] Head Model [7695 days 20 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:14:04 GMT

Here's the source for the head model (see moray.win thread "New website 
Online"). Be sure to put the jpg files in the right places in the material 
editor.
Steve Shelby

[Arne Kleinophorst] Re: Greeble [7709 days 11 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:34:51 GMT

Nope, i fear Lua is not good enough. Lua can't recieve information from 
the base object. So no way around the Plugin-SDK.

Arne

Stefan Persson wrote:
> Any suggestions? LUA?
> 
> Stefan
> "Arne Kleinophorst" <kle### [at] spamdebitelnet> skrev i meddelandet
> news:42305d76$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>>Stefan Persson schrieb:
>>
>>>Is it possible to write a greeble plugin for Moray?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yes, it should be possible.
>>
>>Arne
> 
> 
>

[Stefan Persson] Re: Greeble [7709 days 14 hours and 11 minutes ago]

Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:46:09 GMT

Any suggestions? LUA?

Stefan
"Arne Kleinophorst" <kle### [at] spamdebitelnet> skrev i meddelandet
news:42305d76$1@news.povray.org...
> Stefan Persson schrieb:
> > Is it possible to write a greeble plugin for Moray?
> >
> >
>
> Yes, it should be possible.
>
> Arne

[Arne Kleinophorst] Re: Greeble [7709 days 20 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:45:10 GMT

Stefan Persson schrieb:
> Is it possible to write a greeble plugin for Moray?
> 
> 

Yes, it should be possible.

Arne

[Stefan Persson] Greeble [7709 days 22 hours and 56 minutes ago]

Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:00:45 GMT

Is it possible to write a greeble plugin for Moray?

[Stefan Persson] Re: Leviton 86003 - Dual receptacle outlet plate [7713 days 16 hours and 58 minutes ago]

Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:59:13 GMT

Tim,
Why can't I download the attached files?
They are greyed out in Outlook..
(Could be the old M$ devil that is lurking around
in my computer again.. but.. hehe)

Stefan

"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> skrev i meddelandet
news:421f75b5@news.povray.org...
> Scale:  1 unit = 1 inch
> Leviton 86003
>    Type:  Standard Size
>    Gang:  1
>    Device Graphic:  Duplex
>    Material:  Thermoset
>    Color:  Ivory
>    Mount:  Device
>
> -- 
> Tim Cook
> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean
>
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.12
> GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
> N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
> PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
> D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>

[Tim Cook] Leviton 86003 - Dual receptacle outlet plate [7722 days 15 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:00:05 GMT

Scale:  1 unit = 1 inch
Leviton 86003
   Type:  Standard Size
   Gang:  1
   Device Graphic:  Duplex
   Material:  Thermoset
   Color:  Ivory
   Mount:  Device

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[Tim Cook] Leviton 86001 - Single switch wall plate [7722 days 15 hours and 58 minutes ago]

Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:58:54 GMT

Scale:  1 unit = 1 inch
Leviton 86001
   Type:  Standard Size
   Gang:  1
   Device Graphic:  Toggle
   Material:  Thermoset
   Color:  Ivory
   Mount:  Device

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[Tim Cook] Re: Moray 3.5 crash [7725 days 12 hours and 28 minutes ago]

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:29:11 GMT

Problem solved?  I removed the name 'Ivory' from the pigment in the 
wallplate1.mdl file, which was conflicting with the Ivory texture in 
screw1.mdl

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[Tim Cook] Re: Moray 3.5 crash [7725 days 14 hours and 59 minutes ago]

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:57:55 GMT

Looks like it's the screw that's *ahem* screwing things up; I tried 
merging each mdl and copying in new scenes, the wallplate was fine.

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[Tim Cook] Moray 3.5 crash [7725 days 15 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:31:17 GMT

Create a new scene, merge wallplate1.mdl, then screw1.mdl.  Copy and 
paste object screw001.

Also query: what is with the animation plugin complaining about keys for 
unknown objects?

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[leseur sylvain] Re: Didi [7728 days 2 hours and 19 minutes ago]

Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:38:24 GMT

No, it'a a pity, no time. My mind is over the galaxie.
My new job take me a lot of time and i hate that.
Thanks a lot Stephen.
For my next reincarnation i'll choose the French administration,
civil servant, a thing like that. Not much money but a lot of
time......
Friendly
Sylvain



"StephenS" <sshonfield(at)ottawa(dot)net> a écrit dans le message de
news:42166c0f@news.povray.org...
> > Didi is going to the Povray competition
> > Comments welcomes
> > Freindly Sylvain
> I was looking for your picture in the list of entrys and was disappointed
in
> not finding one. Did you run out of time to complete an entry?
>
> Stephen
>
>

[StephenS] Re: Didi [7729 days 12 hours and 28 minutes ago]

Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:28:31 GMT

> Didi is going to the Povray competition
> Comments welcomes
> Freindly Sylvain
I was looking for your picture in the list of entrys and was disappointed in
not finding one. Did you run out of time to complete an entry?

Stephen

[Philippe Gibone] Re: Domenator V2 [7735 days 18 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:32:22 GMT

Hi John
Very nice of you to tell me.
I was a little bit disappointed with the first image, asking desperately for
AA, the second one is really great, we can feel the sandy wind of Mars on
our cheeks ;-)

Philippe



"John D. Gwinner" <joh### [at] cornelledu> a écrit dans le message de
news:420bae41@news.povray.org...
> Philippe:
>   I just posed an image in P.B.I using your plugin to build a city on Mars
> :)
>
>         == John ==
>
> "Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
> news:417aa3ac@news.povray.org...
> > Hello,
> > Here is the version2 of the plugin Domenator, with plenty of new
features
>
>

[John D Gwinner] Re: Domenator V2 [7737 days 16 hours and 1 minute ago]

Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:56:01 GMT

Philippe:
  I just posed an image in P.B.I using your plugin to build a city on Mars 
:)

        == John ==

"Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:417aa3ac@news.povray.org...
> Hello,
> Here is the version2 of the plugin Domenator, with plenty of new features

[leseur sylvain] Re: Didi [7759 days 20 hours and 51 minutes ago]

Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:05:39 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de
news:41ee13b3@news.povray.org...
> An intriguing scene, Sylvain.
> I like the African atmosphere that it evoques, some mysterious spell going
> to happen...
> However, is the white of the eyeballs not too bright? It looks like a lamp
> inside somehow, while they should only show bright highlights from the
light
> source.
>
> Thomas
Thanks a lot Thomas
This lack of realism don't embarrass me,
but your are right.... I must do something
to change that......
Friendly
Sylvain

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Didi [7760 days 2 hours and 56 minutes ago]

Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:00:51 GMT

An intriguing scene, Sylvain.
I like the African atmosphere that it evoques, some mysterious spell going
to happen...
However, is the white of the eyeballs not too bright? It looks like a lamp
inside somehow, while they should only show bright highlights from the light
source.

Thomas


"leseur sylvain" <syl### [at] potar-hurlantcom> schreef in bericht
news:41e39c4b@news.povray.org...
> Didi is going to the Povray competition
> Comments welcomes
> Freindly Sylvain
>
>
>

[leseur sylvain] Re: Didi [7765 days and 20 minutes ago]

Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:36:44 GMT

"Remy Closset" <rem### [at] tiscalifr> a écrit dans le message de
news:41e3f3f6$1@news.povray.org...
> Verry nice.
> Still a drawing with a lot of plugin; fire; domenator, is 'nt it?
>
> rémy

Thanks Rémy.
Yes sorry. There are Glow.lua, Knot.lua(Philipe Gibone),
Manequin.lua(Stephen Shonfield), Lissajou.lua(Philipe Gibone),
Rock.lua(macro Rock Chris Huff), Done(Philipe Gibone) and
Poser.
Friendly
Sylvain

[Remy Closset] Re: Didi [7767 days 19 hours and 14 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:42:46 GMT

Verry nice.
Still a drawing with a lot of plugin; fire; domenator, is 'nt it?

rémy

"leseur sylvain" <syl### [at] potar-hurlantcom> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 41e39c4b@news.povray.org...
> Didi is going to the Povray competition
> Comments welcomes
> Freindly Sylvain
>
>
>

[leseur sylvain] Didi [7768 days 1 hour and 28 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:28:43 GMT

Didi is going to the Povray competition
Comments welcomes
Freindly Sylvain

[Paolo Gibellini] POV Include test [400 kb] [7780 days 17 hours and 28 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:28:59 GMT

A simple test... sorry
;-)
Paolo

[Steve Shelby] Fun with POVInclude [7781 days 20 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:00:20 GMT

See my post in "Re: Announce: POVInclude Version 1.1.2 - xforms, doc updates 
and dialog box fixes" in moray.win.
Steve Shelby

[Jacquier Marc] Re: Looking for a model [7802 days 2 hours and 36 minutes ago]

Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:20:53 GMT

"Shawn Somers" <som### [at] w-linknet> a écrit dans le message de
news:41b68dfe$1@news.povray.org...
> I'm looking for a moray compatible model of a turbocharger. Anyone have
> one??
>
> Please reply via E-mail
>
> Shawn Somers
Hi (isn't it better to say hi or something similar?)
I got none but why by email?
Don't you visit this group time by time?
It is a friendly place you know.
One who  nicely shares a model with you can share it with others as well :-)

Marc

[Shawn Somers] Looking for a model [7802 days 5 hours and 41 minutes ago]

Wed, 8 Dec 2004 05:15:42 GMT

I'm looking for a moray compatible model of a turbocharger. Anyone have 
one??

Please reply via E-mail

Shawn Somers

[StephenS] ScaleTextureOnShape.zip [7804 days 20 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:45:02 GMT

[StephenS] Re: Medieval house with flag [7822 days 23 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:49:37 GMT

> Yes, I have the same combination, except for that problem when using
Megapov
> 1.1. So... my system probably, as I feared :-(  Not for the the first
> time...
> Otherwise, good  Stephen!!
>
> Thomas
Try the newer version SimCloth1a4.zip
You will need to make a new scene.
Hopefully, improvements in the 'cloth constraints'. You can now add
constraints at anytime, instead of only at the creation of a cloth. Once
added you can clear the selection to speed up subsequent renderings.

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house with flag [7823 days 2 hours and 30 minutes ago]

Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:26:51 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> schreef in bericht
news:419b0995$1@news.povray.org...
>
> Otherwise, good  Stephen!!

Word slipped away! What I wanted to say was: "good work Stephen"

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house with flag [7823 days 2 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:24:20 GMT

"StephenS" <sshonfield(at)ottawa(dot)net> schreef in bericht
news:419aa5e3$1@news.povray.org...
> The texturing is the original as downloaded. As with most scenes/models
you
> can get over the net, I would need to adjust the lighting and textures to
> fit my scene. The main purpose of the picture was to see if it was easy to
> add a flag to an existing scene. Most of my work involves single items and
> not scenes, so I needed some help from Thomas :-)
>
To be sure, nowadays I would probably use somewhat different textures in my
houses,  as I did in my IRTC entry for the 'Decay' round earlier this year.
One keeps evolving!!

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house with flag [7823 days 2 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:19:33 GMT

"StephenS" <sshonfield(at)ottawa(dot)net> schreef in bericht
news:419aa5eb$1@news.povray.org...
> > Forgot to ask earlier: the plugin crashes severely my system when using
> > Megapov v1.1, not with v1.0. Is that only me?
> >
> I seem to be working ok with Megapov1.1
> Most of my work so far has been with Moray 3.5 build 9330 and MegaPov 1.0
>
Yes, I have the same combination, except for that problem when using Megapov
1.1. So... my system probably, as I feared :-(  Not for the the first
time...
Otherwise, good  Stephen!!

Thomas

[StephenS] Re: Medieval house with flag [7823 days 9 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:14:19 GMT

> Beautiful! The flag is adding that little touch of 'life', except for
people
> around, of course.
>
> Forgot to ask earlier: the plugin crashes severely my system when using
> Megapov v1.1, not with v1.0. Is that only me?
>
> Thomas
I seem to be working ok with Megapov1.1
Most of my work so far has been with Moray 3.5 build 9330 and MegaPov 1.0

Stephen

[StephenS] Re: Medieval house with flag [7823 days 9 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:14:11 GMT

> Nice job. The flag is very good. Only some problems with texturing : the
> little stone staircaise is too light grey and the soil is too green.
>
> rémy
The texturing is the original as downloaded. As with most scenes/models you
can get over the net, I would need to adjust the lighting and textures to
fit my scene. The main purpose of the picture was to see if it was easy to
add a flag to an existing scene. Most of my work involves single items and
not scenes, so I needed some help from Thomas :-)

Stephen

[StephenS] Re: Medieval house with flag [7823 days 9 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:14:01 GMT

> Good work!
> Can you give us the .mdl, to understand how you build that?
>
> Friendly.
> Sylvain
The scene uses a newer plugin version. I would like to update all of the
sample scenes to this newer version before I release (not compatible with
older versions).

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Medieval house with flag [7824 days 2 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:24:06 GMT

"StephenS" <sshonfield(at)ottawa(dot)net> schreef in bericht
news:4197f4ec@news.povray.org...
> From Moray's Object Library
> Medhouse1 and Medhouse2 by Thomas de Groot
> I only added the flag :-)
>
Beautiful! The flag is adding that little touch of 'life', except for people
around, of course.

Forgot to ask earlier: the plugin crashes severely my system when using
Megapov v1.1, not with v1.0. Is that only me?

Thomas

[Remy Closset] Re: Medieval house with flag [7824 days 19 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:44:34 GMT

Nice job. The flag is very good. Only some problems with texturing : the 
little stone staircaise is too light grey and the soil is too green.

rémy

"StephenS" <sshonfield(at)ottawa(dot)net> a écrit dans le message de news: 
4197f4ec@news.povray.org...
> From Moray's Object Library
> Medhouse1 and Medhouse2 by Thomas de Groot
> I only added the flag :-)
>
> Comments welcome
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>

[leseur sylvain] Re: Medieval house with flag [7824 days 22 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:40:07 GMT

Good work!
Can you give us the .mdl, to understand how you build that?

Friendly.
Sylvain




"StephenS" <sshonfield(at)ottawa(dot)net> a écrit dans le message de
news:4197f4ec@news.povray.org...
> From Moray's Object Library
> Medhouse1 and Medhouse2 by Thomas de Groot
> I only added the flag :-)
>
> Comments welcome
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>

[StephenS] Medieval house with flag [7825 days 10 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:14:36 GMT

From Moray's Object Library
Medhouse1 and Medhouse2 by Thomas de Groot
I only added the flag :-)

Comments welcome

Stephen

[StephenS] Re: SimCloth_constaints.png [7838 days 23 hours and 19 minutes ago]

Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:37:52 GMT

Comments welcome

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Domenator V2 [7846 days 3 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:34:16 GMT

"Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:417aa3ac@news.povray.org...
> Hello,
> Here is the version2 of the plugin Domenator, with plenty of new features
> (the most important : Noise).
> I can provide a documentation written in French without samples (500 Ko),
or
> with samples (6Mo). If you want one of them, I can send it to your email
> address (just send me a mail with DOMENATOR in the title, because I kill
50
> spams every day). If enough personns ask for an english version, I'll
> tranlate it and I'll provide the documentation in broken English.
>
> Comments welcome
> Regards,
>
Good work Philippe! Thanks for the plugin.
As I love my regal hat  :-)  I attach a last avatar with noise added.
If I can be of help in translating to an english version, don't hesitate.
I'll be glad to.

Thomas

[StephenS] Re: table_cloth_megapov_sample_with _wind.png [7846 days 13 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:20:05 GMT

> Cool :)
> Did you apply the wind since the 1st iterations?
> BTW should it be possible to set constraints ?
>
> Marc
For this picture yes, wind from 1st iteration.
I have also tried:
  wind, after cloth was on table
  wind and then no wind, to help stabilise the mesh

Constraints are not currently possible, but is something I'm interested in
adding. I've no idea how to interface with such a feature though.

Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: table_cloth_megapov_sample_with _wind.png [7846 days 14 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:59:41 GMT

"StephenS" <sshonfield(at)ottawa(dot)net> a écrit dans le message de news:
417beb1e@news.povray.org...
> Stephen
Cool :)
Did you apply the wind since the 1st iterations?
BTW should it be possible to set constraints ?

Marc

[StephenS] table_cloth_megapov_sample_with _wind.png [7846 days 17 hours and 8 minutes ago]

Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:49:18 GMT

Stephen

[Philippe Gibone] Domenator V2 [7847 days 16 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:32:12 GMT

Hello,
Here is the version2 of the plugin Domenator, with plenty of new features
(the most important : Noise).
I can provide a documentation written in French without samples (500 Ko), or
with samples (6Mo). If you want one of them, I can send it to your email
address (just send me a mail with DOMENATOR in the title, because I kill 50
spams every day). If enough personns ask for an english version, I'll
tranlate it and I'll provide the documentation in broken English.

Comments welcome
Regards,

[StephenS] Re: SimCloth_round_nappe [7849 days 9 hours and 50 minutes ago]

Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:06:33 GMT

Stephen

[Philippe Gibone] Re: SimCloth.lua sample picture [7850 days 7 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:41:59 GMT

> It still has at least one major problem, it can't be used in a union.
> I think this is critical in making it a useful plugin. MegaPov 1.0
> complains about 'Object expected but simcloth{} found instead.' I may just
> be using it wrong.
I'd be glad if I could be of any help...
Philippe

[StephenS] Re: SimCloth.lua sample picture [7850 days 13 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:14:07 GMT

> I'm interested in your plugin, shall we swap ? ;-))
>
> Seems very interesting, I'm looking forward to using it.
>
> Philippe
 Thank you :-)
Your welcome to as much or as little as you want. :-)

It still has at least one major problem, it can't be used in a union.
I think this is critical in making it a useful plugin. MegaPov 1.0
complains about 'Object expected but simcloth{} found instead.' I may just
be using it wrong.

Stephen

[Philippe Gibone] Re: SimCloth.lua sample picture [7850 days 16 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:27:59 GMT

I'm interested in your plugin, shall we swap ? ;-))

Seems very interesting, I'm looking forward to using it.

Philippe

"StephenS" <sshonfield(at)ottawa(dot)net> a écrit dans le message de
news:417487bb@news.povray.org...
> Comments welcome
>
> Stephen
>
>
>

[StephenS] SimCloth.lua sample picture [7852 days 7 hours and 38 minutes ago]

Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:19:23 GMT

Comments welcome

Stephen

[Neil Kolban] IBM Corp logo [7869 days 14 hours and 59 minutes ago]

Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:58:16 GMT

Folks,
Enclosed is a Moray model for the IBM Corporation logo.

Neil

[leseur sylvain] Re: Domenator 2, again [7876 days 15 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:04:33 GMT

Superbe my dear. How nice to see this hat, my dear ! My little dog
like it ! Bla bla bla bla bla..................... ;0)

Astronomical map or radar.
Friendly
Sylvain

[Stephen] Re: Domenator 2, again [7876 days 20 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:15:00 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote:
> While testing the new dome plugin, I came up with this hat for very official
> occasions.
> Something for the queens and princesses of this world..... ;-)
>
> Thomas

I need some fruit for me ‘at. – The old Queen Mum :-}

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Domenator 2, again [7877 days 2 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:36:33 GMT

While testing the new dome plugin, I came up with this hat for very official
occasions.
Something for the queens and princesses of this world..... ;-)

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Domenator2 [7880 days 3 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:34:44 GMT

What can I say? Like always your use of the plugins is both original and
appealing to the eye!
Excellent!

Thomas

[leseur sylvain] Domenator2 [7880 days 3 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:14:58 GMT

After SeaShell.Lua. Philippe Gibone is re-building Domenator2
Images made with.
Friendly
Sylvain

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Request for new feature: example [7883 days 3 hours and 35 minutes ago]

Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:21:58 GMT

"John D. Gwinner" <joh### [at] cornelledu> schreef in bericht
news:414bd710$1@news.povray.org...
> So .. what you want is a way to take say a group in Moray, and declare the
> exact position of it to be a runtime calculated object through trace?
>
> What if you had a plugin that would do something similar?  You could:
>
> 1) Place an item on the scene with the plugin (I guess as a 'grouped'
> object)
> 2) Do an initial render
> 3) Script output by the plugin would do a trace, and output a file with
the
> locations of the object.
> 4) Those locations would be read in by the script, and the object
> repositioned in the scene.
>
> Would that do it?
>
Yes indeed, I think that would do the job. I am not much of a plugin
builder, but if somebody could do the job.... would be much appreciated!

Thomas

[John D Gwinner] Re: Request for new feature: example [7883 days 4 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:34:56 GMT

So .. what you want is a way to take say a group in Moray, and declare the
exact position of it to be a runtime calculated object through trace?

What if you had a plugin that would do something similar?  You could:

1) Place an item on the scene with the plugin (I guess as a 'grouped'
object)
2) Do an initial render
3) Script output by the plugin would do a trace, and output a file with the
locations of the object.
4) Those locations would be read in by the script, and the object
repositioned in the scene.

Would that do it?

        == John ==

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message
news:4146981a@news.povray.org...
...
> and used trace in pov-ray instead.
...
> Now this possibility of trace would be a huge improvement in Moray!

[John D Gwinner] Re: Dome plugin [7883 days 4 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:29:57 GMT

Hmm .. I see what you mean, although if you look at the pictures I 
posted, it really looks like the whole thing is 'glass' not just the 
'inside' - but given the degeneracy in closing the 'bottom'  maybe this 
is fixed.

English is my mother tongue, and I'm not sure I explained that. :(

I'll take a look at the beta and see how it looks, before we belabor 
what may be a non issue.

        == John ==
  "Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:414b139e@news.povray.org...
  Hello John,

  I'm not quite sure to understand what you mean (English is not my 
mother language as you can read), because Domes are Hoolow, as you can 
see on the little sample below.
  For the second point, I must admit that those domes are not Geodesic 
and the meridians (as on the earth) are closer to each other as you 
approach the pole.
  I send you the beta version by pm (but a further enhanced version is 
on its way (features asked by other beta-tester...))

  Philippe

[John D Gwinner] Re: New Domenator plugin [7883 days 4 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:25:43 GMT

In my case, that would actually work, as I'm making a convex dome.  So I
could shrink the dome slightly, and then subtract.

I was trying to post pictures in the other thread (Dome Plugin) but it
wasn't posting, I was a hair over 1Meg.  Anyway, I fixed that, so hopefully
it's more clear now.

        == John ==

"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:414### [at] hotmailcom...
> Philippe_Gibone wrote:
>
> > What happens if you make an intersection of the Dome with another object
?
> I am not sure what you mean.
> The result should be a normal, standard mesh.
> But perhaps I am missing something.
> If you have a small example I might give it a go
> somewhere over the weekend.
> (you can mail it to the hotmail address).

[Philippe Gibone] Re: Dome plugin [7883 days 18 hours and 16 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:41:02 GMT

Hello John,

I'm not quite sure to understand what you mean (English is not my mother 
language as you can read), because Domes are Hoolow, as you can see on 
the little sample below.
For the second point, I must admit that those domes are not Geodesic and 
the meridians (as on the earth) are closer to each other as you approach 
the pole.
I send you the beta version by pm (but a further enhanced version is on 
its way (features asked by other beta-tester...))

Philippe
  "John D. Gwinner" <joh### [at] cornelledu> a écrit dans le message 
de news:414af95b@news.povray.org...
  Excellent!

  Sure, I'll beta test.

  What I am trying to do is build a 'dome city' - along the lines of a 
geodesic dome, but for (redundancy) I'm building a city with 4 'lobes'.  
 I was trying to make the glass (plastic, etc) of the dome actually have 
glass IOR, so that it looks like a series of window panes.  When I first 
starting doing this is when I noticed the bug I commented on earlier.  
What was happening is that the entire 'dome' is one big block of glass, 
rather than a hollow shell.

  One idea I had, had been to take 2 domes, and CSG the inner out of the 
larger one to get a 'hollow' dome, i.e. panes of glass.  However, this 
would probably make the glass not quite all the same thickness.

  You can see the weird way the buildings look in the attached 
screenshot, which gives you a rough idea of what I"m going for (most of 
the city isn't detailed properly, and a few buildings stick up too high, 
but you get the general idea).

  (This is to be a dome city on Mars).

  The problem with the facet/wire spacing is apparent when you ok at the 
top of the 'city' - the lines in the dome get quite closely spaced.  
Look at CityBigger-1, everything doesn't look too bad (other than the 
bad problem with the IOR, given that the whole thing is one block of 
'glass'). However, look at CityBigger-2.jpg, you can see how the lines 
at the top of the dome are looking a bit odd.

  The dome settings:

   EpiCycloide, 4 sides, Parameter 1.0
   Slope: Sinus-Cosinus, twist 0.
   Window: sans.

  (faces, wires, etc).  You can see a rough idea of what I'm making in 
the PNG shot of the Moray workspace, although I"ll need to make that a 
separate post.

          == John ==

    "Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:412a37f6@news.povray.org...
    Hello,

    The problem with degenerated triangles in meshes is fixed (if you 
are in a hurry with this one I can send it to you).
    Could you give more information about hollow dome (meshes are 
hollow) 
    The other problem of evenly spaced meridians is a bit more tricky 
(at least for certain slopes), I hope I'll find some time this week to 
have a look on it.

    Philippe Gibone

[John D Gwinner] Re: Dome plugin [7883 days 20 hours and 8 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:48:59 GMT

Excellent!

Sure, I'll beta test.

What I am trying to do is build a 'dome city' - along the lines of a 
geodesic dome, but for (redundancy) I'm building a city with 4 'lobes'.  
 I was trying to make the glass (plastic, etc) of the dome actually have 
glass IOR, so that it looks like a series of window panes.  When I first 
starting doing this is when I noticed the bug I commented on earlier.  
What was happening is that the entire 'dome' is one big block of glass, 
rather than a hollow shell.

One idea I had, had been to take 2 domes, and CSG the inner out of the 
larger one to get a 'hollow' dome, i.e. panes of glass.  However, this 
would probably make the glass not quite all the same thickness.

You can see the weird way the buildings look in the attached screenshot, 
which gives you a rough idea of what I"m going for (most of the city 
isn't detailed properly, and a few buildings stick up too high, but you 
get the general idea).

(This is to be a dome city on Mars).

The problem with the facet/wire spacing is apparent when you ok at the 
top of the 'city' - the lines in the dome get quite closely spaced.  
Look at CityBigger-1, everything doesn't look too bad (other than the 
bad problem with the IOR, given that the whole thing is one block of 
'glass'). However, look at CityBigger-2.jpg, you can see how the lines 
at the top of the dome are looking a bit odd.

The dome settings:

 EpiCycloide, 4 sides, Parameter 1.0
 Slope: Sinus-Cosinus, twist 0.
 Window: sans.

(faces, wires, etc).  You can see a rough idea of what I'm making in the 
PNG shot of the Moray workspace, although I"ll need to make that a 
separate post.

        == John ==

  "Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:412a37f6@news.povray.org...
  Hello,

  The problem with degenerated triangles in meshes is fixed (if you are 
in a hurry with this one I can send it to you).
  Could you give more information about hollow dome (meshes are hollow) 
  The other problem of evenly spaced meridians is a bit more tricky (at 
least for certain slopes), I hope I'll find some time this week to have 
a look on it.

  Philippe Gibone

[andrel] Re: New Domenator plugin [7884 days 20 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:25:01 GMT

Philippe_Gibone wrote:

> What happens if you make an intersection of the Dome with another object ?
I am not sure what you mean.
The result should be a normal, standard mesh.
But perhaps I am missing something.
If you have a small example I might give it a go
somewhere over the weekend.
(you can mail it to the hotmail address).

> 
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
> news:414### [at] hotmailcom...
> 
>>
>>Philippe_Gibone wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
>>>news:414### [at] hotmailcom...
>>>
>>>
>>>>As a postprocessing step after generating the mesh:
>>>>Copy the mesh and offset all the points in the direction of the
>>>>normal. connect all the points at the egdes of the two meshes.
>>>>Will not work properly if the offset results in mesh intersections.
>>>
>>>
>>>This will not work, because the panes will not be thick, but only,
>>>apparently thick. If you difference the dome with something else you'll
> 
> see
> 
>>>the two meshes with vacuum in-between, but not a cut thick dome ;-(((
>>>
>>
>>If you connect the two meshes together at the edges it is just one mesh,
>>so that will work. NB don't forget to flip all the triangles
>>in one of the two, otherwise to normal (and thus the inside and outside)
>>is not defined consistently.
>>
> 
> 
>

[Philippe Gibone] Re: New Domenator plugin [7884 days 21 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:37:16 GMT

What happens if you make an intersection of the Dome with another object ?

"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
news:414### [at] hotmailcom...
>
>
> Philippe_Gibone wrote:
>
> > "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
> > news:414### [at] hotmailcom...
> >
> >>As a postprocessing step after generating the mesh:
> >>Copy the mesh and offset all the points in the direction of the
> >>normal. connect all the points at the egdes of the two meshes.
> >>Will not work properly if the offset results in mesh intersections.
> >
> >
> > This will not work, because the panes will not be thick, but only,
> > apparently thick. If you difference the dome with something else you'll
see
> > the two meshes with vacuum in-between, but not a cut thick dome ;-(((
> >
> If you connect the two meshes together at the edges it is just one mesh,
> so that will work. NB don't forget to flip all the triangles
> in one of the two, otherwise to normal (and thus the inside and outside)
> is not defined consistently.
>

[andrel] Re: New Domenator plugin [7884 days 22 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:23:30 GMT

Philippe_Gibone wrote:

> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
> news:414### [at] hotmailcom...
> 
>>As a postprocessing step after generating the mesh:
>>Copy the mesh and offset all the points in the direction of the
>>normal. connect all the points at the egdes of the two meshes.
>>Will not work properly if the offset results in mesh intersections.
> 
> 
> This will not work, because the panes will not be thick, but only,
> apparently thick. If you difference the dome with something else you'll see
> the two meshes with vacuum in-between, but not a cut thick dome ;-(((
> 
If you connect the two meshes together at the edges it is just one mesh,
so that will work. NB don't forget to flip all the triangles
in one of the two, otherwise to normal (and thus the inside and outside)
is not defined consistently.

[Philippe Gibone] Re: New Domenator plugin [7884 days 22 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:13:28 GMT

"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
news:414### [at] hotmailcom...
> As a postprocessing step after generating the mesh:
> Copy the mesh and offset all the points in the direction of the
> normal. connect all the points at the egdes of the two meshes.
> Will not work properly if the offset results in mesh intersections.

This will not work, because the panes will not be thick, but only,
apparently thick. If you difference the dome with something else you'll see
the two meshes with vacuum in-between, but not a cut thick dome ;-(((

Thanks anyway for helping.

Philippe

[andrel] Re: New Domenator plugin [7884 days 22 hours and 50 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:06:46 GMT

As a postprocessing step after generating the mesh:
Copy the mesh and offset all the points in the direction of the
normal. connect all the points at the egdes of the two meshes.
Will not work properly if the offset results in mesh intersections.

Or is that not the sort of answer you are looking for?

Philippe_Gibone wrote:
>>1) I want to make the 'sides' of the panes of the dome have a 'thickness'
> 
> so
> 
>>that I can use them to make domed cities.  The wires/spheres work very
> 
> well
> 
>>for this, but there is no setting for the mesh that makes up the body of
> 
> the
> 
>>dome itself to have a thickness.
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I'm afraid there is no way to give a thickness to a mesh ;-((.
> The functions I use are parametric (and very complicated ones), no way to
> spin them into an implicit function that can be used in a "thick"
> isosurface.
> There is a possibility to build the dome with elementary prisms, but, i'm
> afraid it's the hell of a job...
> 
> If anybody can think of something else....
> 
> Philippe Gibone
> 
>

[Philippe Gibone] Re: New Domenator plugin [7885 days 19 hours and 36 minutes ago]

Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:20:34 GMT

> 1) I want to make the 'sides' of the panes of the dome have a 'thickness'
so
> that I can use them to make domed cities.  The wires/spheres work very
well
> for this, but there is no setting for the mesh that makes up the body of
the
> dome itself to have a thickness.
Hi John,

I'm afraid there is no way to give a thickness to a mesh ;-((.
The functions I use are parametric (and very complicated ones), no way to
spin them into an implicit function that can be used in a "thick"
isosurface.
There is a possibility to build the dome with elementary prisms, but, i'm
afraid it's the hell of a job...

If anybody can think of something else....

Philippe Gibone

[John D Gwinner] Re: New Domenator plugin [7886 days 4 hours and 46 minutes ago]

Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:11:20 GMT

Wow, looks nice.

My main suggestion is this:

1) I want to make the 'sides' of the panes of the dome have a 'thickness' so
that I can use them to make domed cities.  The wires/spheres work very well
for this, but there is no setting for the mesh that makes up the body of the
dome itself to have a thickness.

(See screenshots in 'Dome Plugin').

        == John ==

P.S.  Sorry for the late reply :(

[Thomas de Groot] Request for new feature: example [7887 days 3 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:04:58 GMT

This low-quality image examplifies what I mean (see same subject under
moray.win)
For some time now, I have been busy reconstructing the Apollo temple at
Didyma. I started to do everything in Moray. However, the temple
platform/floor is not flat but very slightly cambered. To place the 116
columns was a terrible job because each one had to be corrected vertically
for a few millimetres, which is almost impossible to do well as you do not
see where you are exactly. Then, the architraves, and the ceiling elements
had to follow. I stopped then to rethink.

So, I started again, keeping from Moray only the straight, fixed elements
(in grey here), rebuilt the columns in Wings3D, as well as the platform, the
architraves, the ceiling elements, and used trace in pov-ray instead. And
that was extremely easy! The difficulty to place many elements exactly on a
cambered surface, was done automatically here. In addition, the architraves
and entablature are also slightly rotated in order to follow the curvature
of the platform.

Now this possibility of trace would be a huge improvement in Moray!

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Dome plugin [7889 days 3 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:26:24 GMT

Sure, Philippe! You can try me!!

Thomas


"Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:414326a2@news.povray.org...
Hi everybody,

I'm looking for beta-tester for the new domenator plugin.

I need You !

Philippe Gibone

PS : Here is an exemple (a start for a new stadium ?)

[Philippe Gibone] Re: Dome plugin [7889 days 18 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:24:02 GMT

Hi everybody,

I'm looking for beta-tester for the new domenator plugin.

I need You !

Philippe Gibone

PS : Here is an exemple (a start for a new stadium ?)

[Thomas de Groot] Re: New Domenator plugin [7896 days 3 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:25:36 GMT

Philippe, your plugin is (and has been) an excellent addition to Moray. Last
year I made a scene using the plugin (for making roofs). I shall post it in
p.b.i. Hope you like it.

Thomas

[Arne Kleinophorst] Re: New Domenator plugin [7899 days 3 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:39:44 GMT

Hey, looks great!

Arne

Philippe_Gibone schrieb:
> Hello,
> 
> As john asked me for few improvements on Domenator, I worked on it and here
> is where I am :
> 
> 1) The degenerated triangles are removed
> 2) A new base is added
> 3) A new window is added
> 4) Five new slopes are added
> 5) A new parameter allows to have the meridians lines evenly spaced along
> the slope (see sample TestNewDome Evenly.jpg)
> 6) A new parameter allows to shrink or to inflate the wires along the slope
> (see samples TestNewDome alien Starfish.jpg and TestNewDome Shrink.jpg)
> 
> Before I release this new version I still have some work to do, so if you
> have any suggestion for improvement of this plugin, this is the right place
> and the right moment.
> 
> Philippe Gibone
> 
> 
>

[Philippe Gibone] New Domenator plugin [7899 days 17 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:30:13 GMT

Hello,

As john asked me for few improvements on Domenator, I worked on it and here
is where I am :

1) The degenerated triangles are removed
2) A new base is added
3) A new window is added
4) Five new slopes are added
5) A new parameter allows to have the meridians lines evenly spaced along
the slope (see sample TestNewDome Evenly.jpg)
6) A new parameter allows to shrink or to inflate the wires along the slope
(see samples TestNewDome alien Starfish.jpg and TestNewDome Shrink.jpg)

Before I release this new version I still have some work to do, so if you
have any suggestion for improvement of this plugin, this is the right place
and the right moment.

Philippe Gibone

[Philippe Gibone] Re: Dome plugin [7908 days 16 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:31:18 GMT

Hello,

The problem with degenerated triangles in meshes is fixed (if you are in 
a hurry with this one I can send it to you).
Could you give more information about hollow dome (meshes are hollow) 
The other problem of evenly spaced meridians is a bit more tricky (at 
least for certain slopes), I hope I'll find some time this week to have 
a look on it.

Philippe Gibone
  "John D. Gwinner" <joh### [at] cornelledu> a écrit dans le message 
de news:411f989d$1@news.povray.org...
  Hello:

    I love this plugin, but I am having a few problems with it.

    The meshs generated seem to be somewhat degenerate.  I tried a 
simple tetrahedron (3 sided circle with 1 parallel).  The mesh I got 
was:

  #declare Dome2 = mesh {
  triangle { <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 
1.000000>, <-0.500000, 0.866025, -0.000000> }
  triangle { <-0.500000, 0.866025, -0.000000>, <1.000000, 0.000000, 
-0.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000> }
  triangle { <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 
1.000000>, <-0.500000, -0.866025, -0.000000> }
  triangle { <-0.500000, -0.866025, -0.000000>, <-0.500000, 0.866025, 
-0.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000> }
  triangle { <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 
1.000000>, <1.000000, 0.000000, -0.000000> }
  triangle { <1.000000, 0.000000, -0.000000>, <-0.500000, -0.866025, 
-0.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000> }
  // Attributes returned success!

  Note that several of the triangles have the same exact first and 
second coordinates (marked in bold if you are viewing HTML).

  The problem I am having with this, is that I am attempting to make a 
'hollow' dome.  I was going to simply subtract one dome from another 
(CSG) but the results are weird.  If I delete the 0 width triangles, 
then it seems to work a little better, but I am left with only 3.

  Is there any chance this can be fixed?

  Also, as I'm trying to make a 'city dome' out of this, the parallels 
get spaced much too closly at the top of the dome.  Would there be any 
way to use the distance 'up' the parallels to space them out?

          == John ==

  P.S.  I could help with the plugin if it's C++

  <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:3d06c9c8$1@news.povray.org...
  > Please, if you use it : let me know either for :
  > sharing nice pictures
  > bug reports
  > new features
  > enhancement
  > aso
  > 
  > Philippe Gibone
  > 
  > "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message 
de news:
  > 3d00aa5a@news.povray.org...
  > > Find here a copy of the Dome plugin for Moray 3.2 and higher
  > >
  > > Thomas
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > 
  >

[John D Gwinner] Re: Dome plugin [7916 days 17 hours and 48 minutes ago]

Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:08:45 GMT

Hello:

  I love this plugin, but I am having a few problems with it.

  The meshs generated seem to be somewhat degenerate.  I tried a simple 
tetrahedron (3 sided circle with 1 parallel).  The mesh I got was:

#declare Dome2 = mesh {
triangle { <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 
1.000000>, <-0.500000, 0.866025, -0.000000> }
triangle { <-0.500000, 0.866025, -0.000000>, <1.000000, 0.000000, 
-0.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000> }
triangle { <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 
1.000000>, <-0.500000, -0.866025, -0.000000> }
triangle { <-0.500000, -0.866025, -0.000000>, <-0.500000, 0.866025, 
-0.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000> }
triangle { <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 
1.000000>, <1.000000, 0.000000, -0.000000> }
triangle { <1.000000, 0.000000, -0.000000>, <-0.500000, -0.866025, 
-0.000000>, <0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000> }
// Attributes returned success!

Note that several of the triangles have the same exact first and second 
coordinates (marked in bold if you are viewing HTML).

The problem I am having with this, is that I am attempting to make a 
'hollow' dome.  I was going to simply subtract one dome from another 
(CSG) but the results are weird.  If I delete the 0 width triangles, 
then it seems to work a little better, but I am left with only 3.

Is there any chance this can be fixed?

Also, as I'm trying to make a 'city dome' out of this, the parallels get 
spaced much too closly at the top of the dome.  Would there be any way 
to use the distance 'up' the parallels to space them out?

        == John ==

P.S.  I could help with the plugin if it's C++

<Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:3d06c9c8$1@news.povray.org...
> Please, if you use it : let me know either for :
> sharing nice pictures
> bug reports
> new features
> enhancement
> aso
> 
> Philippe Gibone
> 
> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message 
de news:
> 3d00aa5a@news.povray.org...
> > Find here a copy of the Dome plugin for Moray 3.2 and higher
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> 
>

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Genova, 1595 [7974 days 12 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:22:42 GMT

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:00:13 +0200, Arne Kleinophorst
<Sir### [at] spamdebitelnet> wrote:

>  Very well done! However, the radiosity effect could be a bit stronger. 
>But then it would take ages to render. Good work!

Are you sure about that? 
I've always thought that Mediterranean light was too contrasty. The
shadows are very deep if there is a sunlit area like the courtyard.
Maybe I misunderstand the effects of radiosity as I don't use it
myself.

Regards
        Stephen

[Arne Kleinophorst] Re: Genova, 1595 [7974 days 14 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:59:50 GMT

Remy Closset wrote:
> An image I've done following a travel in Genova (Italy). It shows th e ducal
> palace with two guards, an afternoon in 1595, just after the building of
> this marvellous  edifice.
> Only made with moray. The guards are my own work.
> Light, radiosity, rendered with pov-ray 3.6
> 
> You can see the image here
> 
> http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/palais_ducal.png
> 
> rémy closset
> 
> A permanent challenge for me, visually impaired.
> 
> 
  Very well done! However, the radiosity effect could be a bit stronger. 
But then it would take ages to render. Good work!

Arne

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Genova, 1595 [7974 days 16 hours and 44 minutes ago]

Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:13:05 GMT

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:03:08 +0200, "Remy Closset"
<NOS### [at] tiscalifr> wrote:

>You can see the image here
>
>http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/palais_ducal.png


Excellent!

Regards
        Stephen

[Remy Closset] Genova, 1595 [7974 days 16 hours and 54 minutes ago]

Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:03:00 GMT

An image I've done following a travel in Genova (Italy). It shows th e ducal
palace with two guards, an afternoon in 1595, just after the building of
this marvellous  edifice.
Only made with moray. The guards are my own work.
Light, radiosity, rendered with pov-ray 3.6

You can see the image here

http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/palais_ducal.png

rémy closset

A permanent challenge for me, visually impaired.

[Arne Kleinophorst] Re: To all moray gods: Help with Lights please [8018 days 23 hours and 48 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 May 2004 11:08:55 GMT

StephenS schrieb:
> ...
> 
>>could someone please have a look at the attached mdl?
> 
> ...
> Needs newer version of Moray, 3.6beta?
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 

Yikes, Guess so, yes.

Anyway, i think i found it. There seems to be a trouble when working 
with cone-csg's.

I'll post an update, asap.

greets

Arne

[StephenS] Re: To all moray gods: Help with Lights please [8019 days and 45 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 May 2004 10:11:59 GMT

...
> could someone please have a look at the attached mdl?
...
Needs newer version of Moray, 3.6beta?

Stephen

[Arne Kleinophorst] To all moray gods: Help with Lights please [8019 days 1 hour and 4 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 May 2004 09:52:27 GMT

Hi there,

could someone please have a look at the attached mdl? I'm having trouble 
with the lights (Deckenfluter) in the upper left corner. I have no idea 
what's wrong.

Thanks in Advance

Arne Kleinophorst

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Elsa's cat (and Melodie's horse) [8029 days 4 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Sun, 25 Apr 2004 06:36:56 GMT

Elsa!
Ton chat est très réussi! Pour preuve: son regard me fait penser à
celui
d'un de mes chats qui s'appelait Bobo. Il est mort de vieillesse, mais il
contemplait le monde de la même façon. Minette, on a envie de la caresser!!

Mélodie!
Quel beau cheval! On a envie de lui mettre une selle et de partir à
l'aventure. Mais peut-être il préfère galopper tout seul?

Rémy!
Very interesting work indeed, like also the horse by Mélodie. It proves (did
it need proof?) that Moray is adapted to all ages. It would be an excellent
tool in primary schools I guess.

Thomas


"Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
news:408a2463$1@news.povray.org...
> Elsa has drawn a cat. She is now 6 1/2 years old. She begins to understand
> english words, and so she can use moray herself  hardly alone.
>
> rémy
>
> see here
> http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/Minette.png
>
>

[Jim Charter] Re: Elsa's cat [8029 days 20 hours and 49 minutes ago]

Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:07:40 GMT

Remy Closset wrote:
> Elsa has drawn a cat. She is now 6 1/2 years old. She begins to understand
> english words, and so she can use moray herself  hardly alone.
> 
> rémy
> 
> see here
> http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/Minette.png
> 
> 
A lot of good observation going on there!  Epecially in the face but 
also things like the shape of the hind legs.  Definitely an interesting 
idea to get a child to use 3d techniques, since just as in drawing it is 
a matter of formula enhanced through observation.

[Remy Closset] [8030 days 2 hours and 30 minutes ago]

Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:26:37 GMT

Hi,

This is th efirts post of Melodie
She is 4 years old and is the sister of Elsa
The drawing is done with moray
Mélodie choses volumes, pull them in place and enters  values I give her.
She olds mouse and keyboard.

rémy

see here
Hi,

This is th efirts post of Melodie
She is 4 years old and is the sister of Elsa
The drawing is done with moray
Mélodie choses volumes, pull them in place and enters  values I give her.
She olds mouse and keyboard.

rémy
Hi,

This is th efirts post of Melodie
She is 4 years old and is the sister of Elsa
The drawing is done with moray
Mélodie choses volumes, pull them in place and enters  values I give her.
She olds mouse and keyboard.

rémy
http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/cheval.png

[Remy Closset] Elsa's cat [8030 days 2 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:25:07 GMT

Elsa has drawn a cat. She is now 6 1/2 years old. She begins to understand
english words, and so she can use moray herself  hardly alone.

rémy

see here
http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/Minette.png

[Bernd Klenk] screenshot to subject: moray V36B1 - moray_crash... [8045 days 1 hour and 38 minutes ago]

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:18:47 GMT

[Bernd Klenk] screenshot to subject: moray V36B1 - moray_crash... [8045 days 1 hour and 38 minutes ago]

Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:18:44 GMT

See moray.win

--
Bernd

[Remy Closset] renaissance second post [8058 days 17 hours and 56 minutes ago]

Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:00:51 GMT

Here is the continuation of the renaissance guy

http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/garde_a.png

rémy

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Renaissance WIP [8058 days 20 hours and 53 minutes ago]

Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:03:49 GMT

"Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
news:4064314d$1@news.povray.org...
> I am belgian, and living in france since 1973. I am european too.
> Leuk zeg!!!
>

Inderdaad! En effet!! Indeed!!! Com Certeza!!!! Claro!!!!!

[Remy Closset] Re: Renaissance WIP [8058 days 21 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:34:05 GMT

I am belgian, and living in france since 1973. I am european too.
Leuk zeg!!!

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de
news:40641fe3@news.povray.org...
>
> "Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
> news:406412f0$1@news.povray.org...
> > My mork is inly a WIP
> > The guard is mde to be insreted in a larger context.
> > However, your remaks are judicious and I will apply them later
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > rémy
> >
> > Are your Belgian or Dutch?
> >
> "Difficult" question :-)
> I am Dutch, however I was brought up in Paris where I went to school till
> the Baccalauréat. And my wife is French. So... I don't know really 'what'
I
> am. Probably a European!
>
> Thomas
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Renaissance WIP [8058 days 22 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:19:47 GMT

"Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
news:406412f0$1@news.povray.org...
> My mork is inly a WIP
> The guard is mde to be insreted in a larger context.
> However, your remaks are judicious and I will apply them later
>
> Thanks
>
> rémy
>
> Are your Belgian or Dutch?
>
"Difficult" question :-)
I am Dutch, however I was brought up in Paris where I went to school till
the Baccalauréat. And my wife is French. So... I don't know really 'what' I
am. Probably a European!

Thomas

[Remy Closset] Re: Renaissance WIP [8058 days 23 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:24:32 GMT

My mork is inly a WIP
The guard is mde to be insreted in a larger context.
However, your remaks are judicious and I will apply them later

Thanks

rémy

Are your Belgian or Dutch?

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de
news:4063e854@news.povray.org...
> Looks good, Remy.
> IMHO, I think that a lighter background would be more effective to
> appreciate the details, for instance a neutral grey.
> About the etchings on the morion: are they not a bit too light/contrasted?
> Shouldn't they be more or less the same color/texture as the helmet? I
seem
> to remember having seen them showing in (low) relief.
>
> Thomas
>
> "Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
> news:40607122@news.povray.org...
> > A work I started about Renaissance. Only made with MORAY,  rendered with
> > povray 3.5. Morion is the helmet french name.
> > I shall enjoy criticism
> >
> > The file is here
> > http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/morion_2.png
> >
> >
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Renaissance WIP [8059 days 2 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:22:44 GMT

Looks good, Remy.
IMHO, I think that a lighter background would be more effective to
appreciate the details, for instance a neutral grey.
About the etchings on the morion: are they not a bit too light/contrasted?
Shouldn't they be more or less the same color/texture as the helmet? I seem
to remember having seen them showing in (low) relief.

Thomas

"Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
news:40607122@news.povray.org...
> A work I started about Renaissance. Only made with MORAY,  rendered with
> povray 3.5. Morion is the helmet french name.
> I shall enjoy criticism
>
> The file is here
> http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/morion_2.png
>
>

[Remy Closset] Renaissance WIP [8061 days 17 hours and 40 minutes ago]

Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:17:22 GMT

A work I started about Renaissance. Only made with MORAY,  rendered with
povray 3.5. Morion is the helmet french name.
I shall enjoy criticism

The file is here
http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/morion_2.png

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Ionic Order column [8067 days 2 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:14:46 GMT

You're welcome! Thanks
I thought it might interest the community. It helps to progress, yes. I
always learn a lot from others experience. So, if I can do something in
return... (I often forget, unfortunately, to post something. Hmm just
laziness I guess)

Thomas

"Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
news:40556e5a$1@news.povray.org...
> Thanks for your mdl file. It's an excellent tutorial, I think the only way
> to progress.
> Very fine job.
>
> Rémy

[Remy Closset] Re: Ionic Order column [8070 days 2 hours and 6 minutes ago]

Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:50:34 GMT

Thanks for your mdl file. It's an excellent tutorial, I think the only way
to progress.
Very fine job.

Rémy
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de
news:40541f7c@news.povray.org...
> I built this Ionic Order Greek column, following the ancient standards.
See
> the included readme file for more details.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Ionic Order column [8071 days 1 hour and 55 minutes ago]

Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:01:48 GMT

I built this Ionic Order Greek column, following the ancient standards. See
the included readme file for more details.

Thomas

[Steve Shelby] Re: first post [8071 days 8 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:42:13 GMT

Very original. Nice job. :^}>
Steve Shelby

"Denis" <nd### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message news:405206e6@news.povray.org...
> hello all
> i'am new french user , and  it's my first work with moray
> just my computer screen
>
> (my english is very very bad .....sorry  :o(((    )
>
> @+ Denis
>
> pov### [at] wanadoofr
>
>
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: first post [8072 days and 33 minutes ago]

Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:23:31 GMT

Bienvenu à bord!
Welcome to the pack!
An excellent start, I should say. Now, I would like to see some tiny bits of
irregularities here and there (nothing is perfect!), some spilled coffee, a
scratch in the table surface.... But not too obvious, if you see what I
mean...

Thomas


"Denis" <nd### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht news:405206e6@news.povray.org...
> hello all
> i'am new french user , and  it's my first work with moray
> just my computer screen
>
> (my english is very very bad .....sorry  :o(((    )
>
> @+ Denis
>
> pov### [at] wanadoofr
>
>
>
>
>

[Denis] first post [8072 days 16 hours and 5 minutes ago]

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:52:22 GMT

hello all
i'am new french user , and  it's my first work with moray
just my computer screen

(my english is very very bad .....sorry  :o(((    )

@+ Denis

pov### [at] wanadoofr

[Bernd Klenk] Small bug in the wireframe plugin - wireframe.pn... [8077 days 19 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:30:18 GMT

[Bernd Klenk] Small bug in the wireframe plugin - wireframe.pn... [8077 days 19 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:30:15 GMT

See message in moray.win

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Elsa [8079 days 2 hours and 13 minutes ago]

Sat, 6 Mar 2004 08:44:08 GMT

Keep us posted on Elsa's progress!
Dédée has great potential.

Thomas


"Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
news:40474480@news.povray.org...
> Elsa is 6 years old
> She designed the drawing with myhelp, but she olds desktop and mouse!!!
>
> Elsa can read since Christmas. The soft is moray, a wonderfull pedagogic
> tool. Dedee is her second work
>
> rémy
>
>
>

[Remy Closset] Re: cow-boy [8080 days 1 hour and 26 minutes ago]

Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:31:02 GMT

The feather is a heightfield
The volume will be better with a mesh
I try it now

rémy
"Bernd Klenk" <daheim-DONTSPAM-@bernd-klenk.de> a écrit dans le message de
news:eleg4095vnvpgmvbjh0vsut7877smnu92l@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:04:48 +0100, "Remy Closset"
> <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> wrote:
>
> >A cow-boy hat
> >designed witn moray
> >
> >rémy
> Nice work!
> How did you make the feather?
> It looks very realistic.
>
> --
> Bernd
>
>
>

[Bernd Klenk] Re: cow-boy [8080 days 2 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:30:52 GMT

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:04:48 +0100, "Remy Closset"
<NOS### [at] tiscalifr> wrote:

>A cow-boy hat
>designed witn moray
>
>rémy
Nice work!
How did you make the feather?
It looks very realistic.

--
Bernd

[Remy Closset] cow-boy [8080 days 14 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:05:04 GMT

A cow-boy hat
designed witn moray

rémy

[Remy Closset] Elsa [8080 days 19 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:00:16 GMT

Elsa is 6 years old
She designed the drawing with myhelp, but she olds desktop and mouse!!!

Elsa can read since Christmas. The soft is moray, a wonderfull pedagogic
tool. Dedee is her second work

rémy

[Steve Shelby] Ear Mesh Screenshot [8084 days 21 hours and 47 minutes ago]

Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:10:08 GMT

See "Ear" in povray.binaries.images and in moray.win.

[Remy Closset] Glass [8092 days 2 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:28:12 GMT

My contribution to the "glass" challenge of the french povray group
Entirely made with moray

rémy

[Thomas de Groot] Re: dragonfly [8101 days 2 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:41:57 GMT

Excellent work, Remy!
It should find its place in the downloadable objects page of the Moray site.
(If you want to, of course!)

By the way, Lutz, no updates there? I remember having uploaded some objects
ages ago...  ;-)

Thomas


"Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> schreef in bericht
news:4027ca57@news.povray.org...
> The first dtawing I send here
> Entirely done with moray
>
> http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/index.php
>
> rémy
>
>
>

[Luis] Re: [Plugins Moray] [8102 days 21 hours and 56 minutes ago]

Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:01:24 GMT

"Luis" <NOS### [at] ifrancecom> a écrit dans le message de
news:402a0355@news.povray.org...
|
| "Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> a écrit dans le message de
| news:cpjj20lf17pv52d94tcihqlajck042omsh@4ax.com...
| | Hi Luis, you recently wrote in moray.binaries:
| |
| | > My web site is down... :(
| | > You can take plugins here, is the only way i found to share it for the moment.
| | I have hosted them on my site for everyone to download...
| |
| | http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meplugins.html
| |
| | Regards,
| |
| | - Lutz
| | - Lutz
| |   email : lut### [at] stmuccom
| |   Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
|
| I have now a new server, hosted in my office, and domain lightning-generator.org.
| No problems for the moment :)
| You can link also to http://www.lightning-generator.org
|
| Many thanks Lutz.
|
| Luis
|

And... my name is Gomes Luis ...
(not GomeZ :p )
I forgot to mention that, but in http://www.stmuc.com/moray/menews.html and in the
Moray Credits,
it's wrong.

Regards,

Luis

[Luis] Re: [Plugins Moray] [8103 days and 30 minutes ago]

Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:26:29 GMT

"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> a écrit dans le message de
news:cpjj20lf17pv52d94tcihqlajck042omsh@4ax.com...
| Hi Luis, you recently wrote in moray.binaries:
|
| > My web site is down... :(
| > You can take plugins here, is the only way i found to share it for the moment.
| I have hosted them on my site for everyone to download...
|
| http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meplugins.html
|
| Regards,
|
| - Lutz
| - Lutz
|   email : lut### [at] stmuccom
|   Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

I have now a new server, hosted in my office, and domain lightning-generator.org.
No problems for the moment :)
You can link also to http://www.lightning-generator.org

Many thanks Lutz.

Luis

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Plugins Moray] [8103 days 2 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:19:36 GMT

Call me Lt Columbo if you want but I forgot to say the comment for makesnow
plugin is wrong (it is the same than of Insertcode)
Marc

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Plugins Moray] [8103 days 2 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:14:06 GMT

Lutz, may correct you?
http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meplugin.html
is the correct URL :-)
Marc
"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> a écrit dans le message de news:
cpjj20lf17pv52d94tcihqlajck042omsh@4ax.com...
> Hi Luis, you recently wrote in moray.binaries:
>
> > My web site is down... :(
> > You can take plugins here, is the only way i found to share it for the
moment.
> I have hosted them on my site for everyone to download...
>
> http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meplugins.html
>
> Regards,
>
> - Lutz
> - Lutz
>   email : lut### [at] stmuccom
>   Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

[Lutz Kretzschmar] Re: [Plugins Moray] [8103 days 4 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:44:32 GMT

Hi Luis, you recently wrote in moray.binaries:

> My web site is down... :(
> You can take plugins here, is the only way i found to share it for the moment.
I have hosted them on my site for everyone to download...

http://www.stmuc.com/moray/meplugins.html

Regards,

- Lutz
- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

[Steve Shelby] Re: dragonfly [8103 days 12 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:19:44 GMT

Beautiful!
Steve Shelby

"Remy Closset" <NOS### [at] tiscalifr> wrote in message
news:4027ca57@news.povray.org...
> The first dtawing I send here
> Entirely done with moray
>
> http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/index.php
>
> rémy
>
>
>

[Remy Closset] dragonfly [8104 days 16 hours and 58 minutes ago]

Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:58:47 GMT

The first dtawing I send here
Entirely done with moray

http://remy.closset.chez.tiscali.fr/index.php

rémy

[Marc Jacquier] Re: McIntosh in the kitchen [8114 days and 8 minutes ago]

Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:48:59 GMT

Self note: Always read 7 times a post before sending it!
> you can foud some of them here

"You can find", of course

Marc

[Marc Jacquier] Re: McIntosh in the kitchen [8114 days and 13 minutes ago]

Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:43:40 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
4018ba6b$1@news.povray.org...
> Does it make coffee too??  ;-))
> With a little adaptation, it could! It looks like it could!!
LOL :-)
> But, seriously, great work and very well done. The lighting is also
> excellent (HDRI looks interesting...)
Thanks Thomas

For HDRI, you need mlPOV, a patched version of POV which (among other
interesting features) offers HDRI support
http://pov.monde.free.fr/mael/mlpov083eng.html
HDR are High Dynamic Range images where each RGB channel is coded on 24 bits
rather than 8. Well suited for illuminating environnement
you can foud some of them here
http://athens.ict.usc.edu/Probes/
then you put an environement  sphere around your scene with this kind of
material in direct code

#version unofficial mlpov 0.8; // very important to open mlpov features
texture
      {
        pigment
         {
            image_map{hdr "kitchen_probe.hdr" map_type 7 interpolate 2}
            rotate x*90
          }
        finish
         {
            ambient 1
            diffuse 0.0
         }
}

Don't forget to enable radiosity ( I used POV preset)

Enjoy

Marc

[Luis] [Plugins Moray] [8115 days 23 hours and 54 minutes ago]

Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:02:49 GMT

My web site is down... :(

You can take plugins here, is the only way i found to share it for the moment.

Luis

[Thomas de Groot] Re: McIntosh in the kitchen [8116 days 3 hours and 10 minutes ago]

Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:46:51 GMT

Does it make coffee too??  ;-))
With a little adaptation, it could! It looks like it could!!
But, seriously, great work and very well done. The lighting is also
excellent (HDRI looks interesting...)

Thomas

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:4013dc5d@news.povray.org...
> Hi :)
> Neither a toffee nor a computer but a mythical (and expensive) tube
> amplifier.
> when you can't afford it, raytrace it!
> Modeled in moray and exported/rendered as is by mlpov unsing HDRI feature
> ( kitchen probe)
> 800x600 jpg (84KB) version here:
> http://marc.jacquier.free.fr/Pics/Stock/Autres/mcintoshhdri3_800.jpg
> 1200x900 pg (1.5MB) version here:
> http://marc.jacquier.free.fr/Pics/Stock/Autres/mcintoshhdri3.png
>
> Comments, advices, insults welcome :)
>
> Marc
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: McIntosh in the kitchen [8118 days 8 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:34:53 GMT

Thanks for the info.
Steve

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:40152f81@news.povray.org...
>
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 40150f54@news.povray.org...
> > Marc,
> > Excellent work!
> Thanks :-D
>
> > I'm ignorant; what is mlpov,
> It is a patched version of POV. see here:
> http://pov.monde.free.fr/mael/mlpov083eng.html
> I hope some features of mlPOV will be included in next version of megaPOV
> (another patched version, kind of independent R&D center for official POV)
>
> >and what exactly is HDRI and what does it do?
> High Dynamic Range images ( each color chanel is encoded on 24bits rather
> than 8, allowing a larger difference between high lights and deep shadows,
> as in real world)
> They allow realistic illumination by a mapped environement (there is no
> light in this scene)
> http://www.debevec.org/Research/HDR/
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>

[StephenS] Re: Ingo's make mesh include and udo support (3x... [8118 days 9 hours and 50 minutes ago]

Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:07:18 GMT

> It looks like I have it working now :-)
> I've e-mailed Ingo asking if he's interested in adding Moray's udo format
> to his makemesh.inc.

I have received a response;
Yes. If questions about *.udo support are redirected to me.
> Did you also test it with an object with hundredtousands of triangles?

Here are some other things I've tested.

Testing it with msm.pov, and upping the resolution :
   MSM(An, 300, "q",  300, "test_msm.udo")     // 100, "c", 100
gave me 90601 vertices with 180000 triangles.
At this size Moray opened the .udo file and rendered the scene (a texture
had to be assigned). The object was converted into a Moray mesh object (can
now be edited with the mesh editor) and rendered the scene. One level of
surface subdivision (ss) was applied to the mesh and rendered.

Some stats:
test_msm.udo 9 074kb ( [:Edges] are not optimized)
test_msm.inc 10 905kb
testjunk_udo_msm.pov 17 521kb
testjunk_udo_msm.pov 73 628kb (1 level of ss)

Stats from POV-Ray
testjunk_udo_msm.png
   Largest 12 960 024 bytes
   Peak memory used 34 256 831 bytes
testjunk_udo_msm.png (1 level of ss)
   Largest 51 840 024 bytes
   Peak memory used 136 485 671 bytes

With 180 000 triangles I found my computer to slow. 1gHz AMD Duron 512mb
memory. It would be impracticable for me to use this in a scene in Moray.

The resulting *.udo file does not have optimized [filename:Edges], most are
listed twice. It would not be possible to tell if a quad is in the middle of
a mesh or at the edge/corner.

Comments welcome.

Stephen

[StephenS] Re: Ingo's make mesh include and udo support (3x... [8118 days 16 hours and 6 minutes ago]

Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:50:50 GMT

> I seem to have the basic udo mesh part working, but not the required
> include file. This would require generating two files at once, the
> Myfile.udo and Myfile.inc.

It looks like I have it working now :-)
I've e-mailed Ingo asking if he's interested in adding Moray's udo format to
his makemesh.inc.

One side affect of trying to import mesh objects into Moray using
makemesh.inc/udo is that there's no support for uv-mapping (not suppose to
be in the udo spec.) You will have to manually add uv info, something I find
time consuming :-(

Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: McIntosh in the kitchen [8118 days 19 hours and 40 minutes ago]

Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:17:21 GMT

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
40150f54@news.povray.org...
> Marc,
> Excellent work!
Thanks :-D

> I'm ignorant; what is mlpov,
It is a patched version of POV. see here:
http://pov.monde.free.fr/mael/mlpov083eng.html
I hope some features of mlPOV will be included in next version of megaPOV
(another patched version, kind of independent R&D center for official POV)

>and what exactly is HDRI and what does it do?
High Dynamic Range images ( each color chanel is encoded on 24bits rather
than 8, allowing a larger difference between high lights and deep shadows,
as in real world)
They allow realistic illumination by a mapped environement (there is no
light in this scene)
http://www.debevec.org/Research/HDR/

Marc

[Steve Shelby] Re: McIntosh in the kitchen [8118 days 21 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:00:04 GMT

Marc,
Excellent work!
I'm ignorant; what is mlpov, and what exactly is HDRI and what does it do?
Steve Shelby

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:4013dc5d@news.povray.org...
> Hi :)
> Neither a toffee nor a computer but a mythical (and expensive) tube
> amplifier.
> when you can't afford it, raytrace it!
> Modeled in moray and exported/rendered as is by mlpov unsing HDRI feature
> ( kitchen probe)
> 800x600 jpg (84KB) version here:
> http://marc.jacquier.free.fr/Pics/Stock/Autres/mcintoshhdri3_800.jpg
> 1200x900 pg (1.5MB) version here:
> http://marc.jacquier.free.fr/Pics/Stock/Autres/mcintoshhdri3.png
>
> Comments, advices, insults welcome :)
>
> Marc
>
>

[StephenS] Ingo's make mesh include and udo support (3x40k ... [8119 days 12 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:15:11 GMT

I have been trying to add Moray's udo file format to Ingo's makemesh.inc.
http://members.home.nl/seedseven/

I seem to have the basic udo mesh part working, but not the required
include file. This would require generating two files at once, the
Myfile.udo and Myfile.inc.

The included pictures are based on twovar.pov with the mesh resolution
reduced from 200x200 to 50x50 and my modified makemesh.inc.
   TwoVarSurf(F2,<-6,6>,<-6,6>,50,50,"twovar.udo")      // 200,200

In POV-Ray I opened and rendered twovar.pov with the above changes. In Moray
I started with the default scene (camera and light) and:
'Create\User Defined' (imported the udo file)
'Edit\Convert To Mesh'
Created a material based on the one from twovar.pov
   pigment{checker color rgb <0,0,0.2> color rgb <1,0.85,0.85> scale 1/6}
   finish{specular 0.4}
Added material to mesh
'Use UV Mapping'
Create New Mapping 'XY' 'Generate' (I think)
Played with camera and lights :-)

The second picture is supposed to look jagged because udo's are imported
with flat triangles and the resultant mesh also has flat triangles.
The last picture is supposed to look smoother because surface subdivision
adds more triangles and normals are calculated.

twovar.png, output of twovar.pov
testjunk_udo.png
testjunk_udo_ss1.png, exported surface subdivision set to 1

Comments welcome.

Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] McIntosh in the kitchen [8119 days 19 hours and 47 minutes ago]

Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:10:21 GMT

Hi :)
Neither a toffee nor a computer but a mythical (and expensive) tube
amplifier.
when you can't afford it, raytrace it!
Modeled in moray and exported/rendered as is by mlpov unsing HDRI feature
( kitchen probe)
800x600 jpg (84KB) version here:
http://marc.jacquier.free.fr/Pics/Stock/Autres/mcintoshhdri3_800.jpg
1200x900 pg (1.5MB) version here:
http://marc.jacquier.free.fr/Pics/Stock/Autres/mcintoshhdri3.png

Comments, advices, insults welcome :)

Marc

[Tim Cook] Spline animation bug [8127 days 9 hours and 19 minutes ago]

Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:38:22 GMT

Something is odd about the attached scene.  The first frame, I have a
sinusoidal translational sweep.  Well and good.  But if you step through
the animation, or play the animation, and the sweep changes, and cannot
be restored to its original form save reloading the scene.  This is a
bug.

[Thomas de Groot] Re: testjunkmanikin2.png (43k) [8135 days 1 hour and 39 minutes ago]

Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:18:13 GMT

"StephenS" <ssh### [at] ottawanet> schreef in bericht
news:3ffe9c5c@news.povray.org...
> > Stephen,
> > I just read the thread; I have a pair of manniquins with IK
possibilities
> > (the kind you find in drawing classrooms). Would you be interested to
have
> > them, to include in the plugin or whatever?
> Yes, I would be interested in seeing how things are setup, and how mine
> compare.
>
Here is the couple.
There are two ways to move them around, one is with the IK-button, then
grasping an extremity (hand or foot or head) and move them with the mouse.
Watch the manniquins following the movements. The second method is more
precise IMO: select member parts in the browser and change the rotation
values by hand. It is more work intensive but gives better end results.

Thomas

[StephenS] Re: testjunkmanikin2.png (43k) [8135 days 22 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:19:40 GMT

> Stephen,
> I just read the thread; I have a pair of manniquins with IK possibilities
> (the kind you find in drawing classrooms). Would you be interested to have
> them, to include in the plugin or whatever?
Yes, I would be interested in seeing how things are setup, and how mine
compare.

Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: testjunkmanikin2.png (43k) [8136 days 2 hours and 55 minutes ago]

Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:01:43 GMT

Stephen,
I just read the thread; I have a pair of manniquins with IK possibilities
(the kind you find in drawing classrooms). Would you be interested to have
them, to include in the plugin or whatever?

Thomas


"StephenS" <ssh### [at] ottawanet> schreef in bericht
news:3ffa10f1@news.povray.org...
> Manikin1a2.zip now available linked form
> http://ca.geocities.com/morayplugin/
>
> Manikin1a2.zip 20k
>    Manikin.lua (requires Helper.lua)
>    testjunkmanikin2.mdl
>    Manikin_blob.inc
>    Manikin_cylinder.inc
>
> The include files need to be placed for POV-Ray to find them.
>
> Example:
> C:\Program Files\Moray For Windows\Mdl
> for the scene file, and
> C:\Program Files\Moray For Windows\POVScn
> for the include files.
>
> The attached picture from left to right:
> Default cylinders from the plugin
> Cylinders from Manikin_cylinder.inc
> Blobs from Manikin_blob.inc (last two)
>
> If the 'external definition file' is empty then the default cylinders are
> used. If you provide a file name (do not use an extension) it will be
used.
>
> Comments welcome
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>

[StephenS] Re: testjunkmanikin2.png (43k) [8138 days 21 hours and 59 minutes ago]

Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:57:26 GMT

> Is it possible now to have several different textures for
> arms, legs, head etc ?
No, but on my todo list.

> In the futur "simples clothes" ?
I would like this, but don't know how I can do it.

Stephen

[leseur sylvain] Re: testjunkmanikin2.png (43k) [8139 days 2 hours and 9 minutes ago]

Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:48:21 GMT

Great!

Is it possible now to have several different textures for
arms, legs, head etc ?
In the futur "simples clothes" ?
Friendly
Sylvain

[StephenS] Re: testjunkmanikin2.png (43k) [8139 days 9 hours and 21 minutes ago]

Tue, 6 Jan 2004 01:35:45 GMT

Manikin1a2.zip now available linked form
http://ca.geocities.com/morayplugin/

Manikin1a2.zip 20k
   Manikin.lua (requires Helper.lua)
   testjunkmanikin2.mdl
   Manikin_blob.inc
   Manikin_cylinder.inc

The include files need to be placed for POV-Ray to find them.

Example:
C:\Program Files\Moray For Windows\Mdl
for the scene file, and
C:\Program Files\Moray For Windows\POVScn
for the include files.

The attached picture from left to right:
Default cylinders from the plugin
Cylinders from Manikin_cylinder.inc
Blobs from Manikin_blob.inc (last two)

If the 'external definition file' is empty then the default cylinders are
used. If you provide a file name (do not use an extension) it will be used.

Comments welcome

Stephen

[StephenS] Re: testjunkmanikin.png (22k) [8140 days 19 hours and 58 minutes ago]

Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:59:10 GMT

The plugin is still very much a work in process, so things may change.

> Can you use blobs instead cylinders?
Cylinders are only being used at the start, as I work on the basic plugin.
Yes I very much want to add a better looking character (CSG, blobs,
isosurface...)

> Is it possible to get Pref Def poses like with
> Poser ?
I'm thinking I will export the positions of the various parts in an array,
and have an include file use this to make the character. This way the plugin
will only be for positioning the parts.

Predefined poses would be saved as a pluginobject and merged into the
current scene.

Stephen

[leseur sylvain] Re: testjunkmanikin.png (22k) [8140 days 20 hours and 24 minutes ago]

Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:32:35 GMT

"StephenS" <ssh### [at] ottawanet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3ff812cc@news.povray.org...
> Comments welcome
>
> Stephen
>
Can you use blobs instead cylinders?
Is it possible to get Pref Def poses like with
Poser ?
Friendly
Sylvain

[StephenS] Re: testjunkmanikin.png (22k) [8140 days 21 hours and 38 minutes ago]

Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:19:08 GMT

Comments welcome

Stephen

[StephenS] Manikin.lua.png (22k) [8141 days 8 hours and 47 minutes ago]

Sun, 4 Jan 2004 02:09:45 GMT

Here is a partial screen shot of the Manikin.lua plugin

[Steve Shelby] Xmas Tree (Moray Tribute) [8154 days 22 hours and 13 minutes ago]

Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:44:00 GMT

Please see the message in moray.win
steve Shelby

[Bernd Klenk] Sort of Interface glitch - glitch.gif (1/1) [8157 days 22 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:31:58 GMT

[Bernd Klenk] Sort of Interface glitch - glitch.gif (0/1) [8157 days 22 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:31:56 GMT

see moray.win
--
Bernd Klenk
dah### [at] bernd-klenkde

[Txemi Jendrix] Another ornament [8177 days 15 hours and 5 minutes ago]

Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:52:17 GMT

I'll upload it later to Yahoo groups.
See you

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Is this scene corrupt? - FairyWand2.zip (0/1) [8179 days 16 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:50:18 GMT

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:09:34 -0800, Lutz Kretzschmar <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote:

>I could open it fine, but do not have the n_sided.lua plugin, so that
>might be the problem....

Thanks Lutz, when Steve Shelby tried to open the file when it was posted to the
Yahoo group he got this.
The little error window says "Lua error, not enough memory".

BTE the n_sided plugin can be found here.
http://news.povray.org/moray.win/31458/?ttop=33861&toff=50
If you want to use it you need to rename it to n_sided.lua, I guess you could
work that out yourself :-}

Regards
        Stephen

[Lutz Kretzschmar] Re: Is this scene corrupt? - FairyWand2.zip (0/1) [8179 days 17 hours and 47 minutes ago]

Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:09:29 GMT

Hi Stephen McAvoy <mcavoys[at]AOLdotCOM>, you recently wrote in
moray.binaries:

> I am having trouble with this scene. I sent it to Steve Shelby and he cannot
> open it. It uses the "n_sided.lua" plugin. I would appreciate if someone else
> could try to open it and confirm if it is corrupted or not. It is a Ver 3.5
> file.
I could open it fine, but do not have the n_sided.lua plugin, so that
might be the problem....

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

[Stephen McAvoy] Is this scene corrupt? - FairyWand2.zip (1/1) [8180 days 1 hour and 49 minutes ago]

Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:07:53 GMT

[Stephen McAvoy] Is this scene corrupt? - FairyWand2.zip (0/1) [8180 days 1 hour and 49 minutes ago]

Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:07:48 GMT

I am having trouble with this scene. I sent it to Steve Shelby and he cannot
open it. It uses the "n_sided.lua" plugin. I would appreciate if someone else
could try to open it and confirm if it is corrupted or not. It is a Ver 3.5
file.

Regards
        Stephen

[John D Gwinner] Re: Xmas gift boxes [8180 days 13 hours and 49 minutes ago]

Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:07:36 GMT

It looks fantastic, but when I look at the bottom box, the paper on the side
looks like it's all going the same direction.  The paper under the fold
should have a pattern orthogonal to the triangular 'flap', right?

Oh, and the bottom 'fold' should go opposite the top fold as well.  If it's
a box on the bottom you won't notice any texture mismatches.

I think the hard part is going to be matching the folded textures with the
textures on the front.  I have no idea how to do that.  :(

        == John ==

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f93ab9f@news.povray.org...
> Hi
> I made a mesh gift box packageAs in real life, I'm not an expert at
wrapping
> paper around boxes :-/
> If someone has more skill at that...
> Anyone has an idea for ribbons?
>
> Marc
>
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: A better bread recipe [8181 days 7 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:59:46 GMT

Thanks.
Steve
"Kman" <mzu### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:3fc26277@news.povray.org...
> Very realistic looking! Now for a nice melting pat of butter and a slight
> wiff of steam rising... <sniiiiff>... hmmmm! Good job, Steve!
>

[Kman] Re: A better bread recipe [8181 days 15 hours ago]

Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:56:39 GMT

Very realistic looking! Now for a nice melting pat of butter and a slight
wiff of steam rising... <sniiiiff>... hmmmm! Good job, Steve!

-Kman


"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote in message
news:3fbb769d@news.povray.org...
> I finally got my bread baked properly. I used a heightfield for the cut
> face, using the water mark to remove the part outside the boundary. The
hard
> part was getting it positioned properly. I got a better looking crust by
> using a texture with two normals. Thanks to Tim Cook, Warp, and Marc
> Jacquier for helping me figure out how to do that.
> Steve Shelby
>
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: A better bread recipe [8185 days 23 hours and 6 minutes ago]

Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:51:08 GMT

Thank you, Thomas. You were the one who suggested the improvements. Now when
I go back and look at my first post and compare the two, I can't believe the
difference.
I agree, it is extraordinary. In my own situation, I don't  even know anyone
personally who is into 3d computer graphics of any kind, so my only source
of information is through these newsgroups and the internet.
Steve

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] nitgtnonl> wrote in message
news:3FBCA58D.86A1E81C@nitg.tno.nl...
> What I forgot to say: extraordinary how through these means we are able to
learn
>
> from each other's experience. Thanks to all the bright guys who
collaborate and
> make this possible!!
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: A better bread recipe [8185 days 23 hours and 28 minutes ago]

Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:28:41 GMT

What I forgot to say: extraordinary how through these means we are able to learn

from each other's experience. Thanks to all the bright guys who collaborate and
make this possible!!

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: A better bread recipe [8185 days 23 hours and 49 minutes ago]

Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:08:07 GMT

Yes, Steve! This is it, without any doubt. I even can smell it! Well done, and
thanks for the effort.

Thomas

Steve Shelby wrote:

> I finally got my bread baked properly. I used a heightfield for the cut
> face, using the water mark to remove the part outside the boundary. The hard
> part was getting it positioned properly. I got a better looking crust by
> using a texture with two normals. Thanks to Tim Cook, Warp, and Marc
> Jacquier for helping me figure out how to do that.
> Steve Shelby
>
>  [Image]

[Steve Shelby] A better bread recipe [8186 days 21 hours ago]

Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:56:45 GMT

I finally got my bread baked properly. I used a heightfield for the cut
face, using the water mark to remove the part outside the boundary. The hard
part was getting it positioned properly. I got a better looking crust by
using a texture with two normals. Thanks to Tim Cook, Warp, and Marc
Jacquier for helping me figure out how to do that.
Steve Shelby

[Steve Shelby] Re: How about some brown bread? [8186 days 22 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:29:55 GMT

Yes, and it turns out that combining the two objects as a "group" works ok,
no problem. See the thread, "Can't combine heightfield and mesh" in
moray.win.
I'll be posting a new, improved loaf of bread in a little while.
Steve Shelby

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] nitgtnonl> wrote in message
news:3FBB5D95.AE46CCBB@nitg.tno.nl...
> How strange! Does it have to do with the combination with a mesh2 object?
I am
> just thinking aloud, because, I really have no idea of the causes...
>
> Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: How about some brown bread? [8186 days 22 hours and 50 minutes ago]

Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:07:24 GMT

How strange! Does it have to do with the combination with a mesh2 object? I am
just thinking aloud, because, I really have no idea of the causes...

Thomas

Steve Shelby wrote:

> We're on the same wavelength. I just got done making a heightfield as you
> describe, and spent a lot of time getting it to fit exactly. There's
> something Moray doesn't like about it. I saved my scene, and then worked on
> the slices, and Moray crashed. When I opened the loaf scene again,
> everything except the heightfield was gone, even the camera and lights. When
> I opened the slice scene, the camera and lights were gone, and when I tried
> to select something, Moray crashed. It's too bad, because it looked so good.
> Steve Shelby
> "

[Thomas de Groot] Re: How about some brown bread? [8186 days 22 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:04:35 GMT

Tim Cook wrote:

> Thomas de Groot wrote:
> > Concerning heightfields, you should not use intersection or differences
> > indeed.
>
> Er?  I've used heightfields with int/dif before and they work fine...

Yes, of course, me too. What I mean to say is that rendering time may
increase a lot in some instances. Otherwise, no problem. However, I find the
waterlevel option quite effective.

Thomas

[Marc Jacquier] Two normals in a texture [8187 days 16 hours and 11 minutes ago]

Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:45:31 GMT

Hi As an answer to Steve Shelby, a texture with 2  mixed normals.
HTH
Marc

[Steve Shelby] Re: How about some brown bread? [8189 days 16 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:26:11 GMT

We're on the same wavelength. I just got done making a heightfield as you
describe, and spent a lot of time getting it to fit exactly. There's
something Moray doesn't like about it. I saved my scene, and then worked on
the slices, and Moray crashed. When I opened the loaf scene again,
everything except the heightfield was gone, even the camera and lights. When
I opened the slice scene, the camera and lights were gone, and when I tried
to select something, Moray crashed. It's too bad, because it looked so good.
Steve Shelby
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message
news:3fb78560@news.povray.org...
> Concerning heightfields, you should not use intersection or differences
> indeed. Best thing to do is to make the space outside the bread slice
black
> (height 0) and set the waterlevel at, say 0.1. That way, you only get the
> slice rendered and the ouside part is ignored. Nice and effective! The
> difficulty would be to position the heightfield perfectly with the bread
of
> course. For the slice it is less of a problem.
>
> Thomas

[Steve Shelby] Re: How about some brown bread? [8189 days 16 hours and 40 minutes ago]

Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:16:39 GMT

Me, too, except that when combined with a mesh2 object it doesn't work right
for me (the heightfield is invisible). And if I play with it long enough, it
makes Moray crash.
Steve Shelby

"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> wrote in message
news:3fb78af9$1@news.povray.org...
> Er?  I've used heightfields with int/dif before and they work fine...
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: How about some brown bread? [8189 days 16 hours and 53 minutes ago]

Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:03:38 GMT

"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3fb78af9$1@news.povray.org...
> Er?  I've used heightfields with int/dif before and they work fine...
So I did, you just have to know that the height_field is infinitely extended
under surface, so to  intersect it with a box before  a difference could be
a good idea

[Tim Cook] Re: How about some brown bread? [8189 days 20 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:34:33 GMT

Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Concerning heightfields, you should not use intersection or differences
> indeed.

Er?  I've used heightfields with int/dif before and they work fine...

[Thomas de Groot] Re: How about some brown bread? [8189 days 20 hours and 46 minutes ago]

Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:10:40 GMT

Concerning heightfields, you should not use intersection or differences
indeed. Best thing to do is to make the space outside the bread slice black
(height 0) and set the waterlevel at, say 0.1. That way, you only get the
slice rendered and the ouside part is ignored. Nice and effective! The
difficulty would be to position the heightfield perfectly with the bread of
course. For the slice it is less of a problem.

Thomas

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
news:3fb77c93$1@news.povray.org...
> Thank you. I've been trying heightfield, and it produces a perfect
texture,
> but when I try to combine it with the bread in a difference or
intersection,
> it won't render properly, and always eventually causes Moray to crash. I
> havn't tried isosurface yet, it might work, but render times with
> isosurfaces are sooooo slooooowww.
> Steve

[Steve Shelby] Re: How about some brown bread? [8189 days 21 hours and 24 minutes ago]

Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:33:07 GMT

Thank you. I've been trying heightfield, and it produces a perfect texture,
but when I try to combine it with the bread in a difference or intersection,
it won't render properly, and always eventually causes Moray to crash. I
havn't tried isosurface yet, it might work, but render times with
isosurfaces are sooooo slooooowww.
Steve

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message
news:3fb731d9@news.povray.org...
> The "dublicate" thread came from me, incidentally. I attach it here again.
> Remember that it will appear under the Tool menu and not with the othe
> plugins!!
> Otherwise, hmm... I have no ready solution for the bread structure. It
seems
> so simple (I was thinking also about bump maps or something) but it isn't.
> Would an isosurface do the job I wonder? Alternatively, a heightfield from
> the photograph?
>
> Thomas
>
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
> news:3fb62f93$1@news.povray.org...
> > Thanks for the input. I hadn't thought of  using a gradient on the
crust,
> > but that makes sense. I'm having a terrible time with the bread texture.
> The
> > more coarse I try to make it the less realistic it looks. I even tried
> using
> > a bump map from a photograph of a real slice of bread, and even that
> doesn't
> > look realistic. I'm beginning to think maybe I have to create several
> > hundred spheres of varying sizes and create a difference. Someone in the
> > newsgroup a while back mentioned a plugin called "dublicate", which
could
> be
> > useful for this, but that thread has been erased from my news server,
and
> I
> > can't find it in the web version either.
> > Steve Shelby
> >
>
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: How about some brown bread? [8190 days 2 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:14:17 GMT

The "dublicate" thread came from me, incidentally. I attach it here again.
Remember that it will appear under the Tool menu and not with the othe
plugins!!
Otherwise, hmm... I have no ready solution for the bread structure. It seems
so simple (I was thinking also about bump maps or something) but it isn't.
Would an isosurface do the job I wonder? Alternatively, a heightfield from
the photograph?

Thomas

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
news:3fb62f93$1@news.povray.org...
> Thanks for the input. I hadn't thought of  using a gradient on the crust,
> but that makes sense. I'm having a terrible time with the bread texture.
The
> more coarse I try to make it the less realistic it looks. I even tried
using
> a bump map from a photograph of a real slice of bread, and even that
doesn't
> look realistic. I'm beginning to think maybe I have to create several
> hundred spheres of varying sizes and create a difference. Someone in the
> newsgroup a while back mentioned a plugin called "dublicate", which could
be
> useful for this, but that thread has been erased from my news server, and
I
> can't find it in the web version either.
> Steve Shelby
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: How about some brown bread? [8190 days 21 hours and 5 minutes ago]

Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:52:19 GMT

Thanks for the input. I hadn't thought of  using a gradient on the crust,
but that makes sense. I'm having a terrible time with the bread texture. The
more coarse I try to make it the less realistic it looks. I even tried using
a bump map from a photograph of a real slice of bread, and even that doesn't
look realistic. I'm beginning to think maybe I have to create several
hundred spheres of varying sizes and create a difference. Someone in the
newsgroup a while back mentioned a plugin called "dublicate", which could be
useful for this, but that thread has been erased from my news server, and I
can't find it in the web version either.
Steve Shelby

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message
news:3fb5e10f$1@news.povray.org...
> I expect we shall have to extend the house to another room with the Xmas
> dinner table ;-)
> Looks tasty, Steve. Again, some darker brown to black around the top would
> be good, and the coarse structure of the bread should be increased.
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
> news:3fb52c18@news.povray.org...
> > I tried out my baking skills on a loaf of brown bread. Want some?
> > Steve Shelby
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: How about some brown bread? [8191 days 2 hours and 40 minutes ago]

Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:17:19 GMT

I expect we shall have to extend the house to another room with the Xmas
dinner table ;-)
Looks tasty, Steve. Again, some darker brown to black around the top would
be good, and the coarse structure of the bread should be increased.
"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
news:3fb52c18@news.povray.org...
> I tried out my baking skills on a loaf of brown bread. Want some?
> Steve Shelby
>
>
>

[Steve Shelby] How about some brown bread? [8191 days 15 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:25:12 GMT

I tried out my baking skills on a loaf of brown bread. Want some?
Steve Shelby

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Another batch of cookies [8193 days 3 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:35:21 GMT

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
news:3fb2199e$1@news.povray.org...
> Very interesting. I learn something new every day.
> I'm even more un-hip than I thought! ;~^}>

...welcome to the club.....  ;-))

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Another batch of cookies [8193 days 3 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:33:39 GMT

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:3fb1e5c7@news.povray.org...
> I was wondering wether it could find a place in the tribute image.

By all means!! I think it should.

Thomas

[Steve Shelby] Re: Another batch of cookies [8193 days 23 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:29:34 GMT

Very interesting. I learn something new every day.
I'm even more un-hip than I thought! ;~^}>
Steve Shelby

"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:3FB1A8C6.9E31E837@pacbell.net...
>
>
> Steve Shelby wrote:
> >
> > I'm very un-hip; I'm not familiar with the term "Utah tea", but let me
> > guess. Would that be a glass of milk?
>
> See - http://sjbaker.org/teapot/
>
> -- 
> Ken Tyler

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Another batch of cookies [8194 days 3 hours and 9 minutes ago]

Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:48:23 GMT

Thanks Ken :-)
I actually re-modelled the teapot after the picture of the real one at the
top of this page.
I was wondering wether it could find a place in the tribute image.
Marc
"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3FB1A8C6.9E31E837@pacbell.net...
>
>
> Steve Shelby wrote:
> >
> > I'm very un-hip; I'm not familiar with the term "Utah tea", but let me
> > guess. Would that be a glass of milk?
>
> See - http://sjbaker.org/teapot/
>
> --
> Ken Tyler

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Another batch of cookies [8194 days 3 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:44:31 GMT

This is great! Thanks Ken.
I did not know about this. It shows, that it is high time (High Tea ;->)
that somebody wrote a history of computer graphics. But probably there is
one already...
By the way, Steve, the cookies are excellent now.

Thomas

"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> schreef in bericht
news:3FB1A8C6.9E31E837@pacbell.net...
>
>
> Steve Shelby wrote:
> >
> > I'm very un-hip; I'm not familiar with the term "Utah tea", but let me
> > guess. Would that be a glass of milk?
>
> See - http://sjbaker.org/teapot/
>
> --
> Ken Tyler

[Ken] Re: Another batch of cookies [8194 days 7 hours and 28 minutes ago]

Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:28:58 GMT

Steve Shelby wrote:
> 
> I'm very un-hip; I'm not familiar with the term "Utah tea", but let me
> guess. Would that be a glass of milk?

See - http://sjbaker.org/teapot/

-- 
Ken Tyler

[Steve Shelby] Re: Another batch of cookies [8194 days 8 hours and 53 minutes ago]

Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:03:30 GMT

I'm very un-hip; I'm not familiar with the term "Utah tea", but let me
guess. Would that be a glass of milk?
Steve
"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3fb137e0@news.povray.org...
> Perfect!
> A "Utah tea" to drink with?
> Marc

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Another batch of cookies [8194 days 15 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:26:24 GMT

Perfect!
A "Utah tea" to drink with?
Marc
"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3fb123e2@news.povray.org...
> Thanks for the suggestion.They already had a granite normal, but it wasn't
> showing. I increased the depth tenfold, and re-scaled by 0.1. Better?
> Steve
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: Another batch of cookies [8194 days 16 hours and 56 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:01:06 GMT

Thanks for the suggestion.They already had a granite normal, but it wasn't
showing. I increased the depth tenfold, and re-scaled by 0.1. Better?
Steve

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message
news:3fb0f0c6$1@news.povray.org...
> They are crunchy!!
> By the way, giving them a little bit of "roughness" on the crunchy
surface??
> I know! I know!! Always the same: people coming to eat everything to the
> last crumb, and then complaining or coming with advice  ;-))
>
> Thomas
>
>
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
> news:3fb0df73@news.povray.org...
> > This time I left them in the oven about 5 minutes longer ;~^}>
> > Actually, I used an image map, a gradient with lighter color above and
> below
> > and dark in the middle. I tried a lot of other things, like the color
> maps,
> > pigment maps, etc., but couldn't get good results.
> > Steve Shelby
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8194 days 17 hours and 9 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:47:53 GMT

I like it!
Steve Shelby

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message
news:3fb0bb2a@news.povray.org...
> Well, in following the idea of Steve, I made a medallion (Steve's!) with a
> painting by Vermeer: The view of Delft. IMO, it represents some of the
> quintessential things of the Netherlands: skies, water, old stones (what's
> left of them), painters...
> I shall upload it presently.
>
> Thomas
>
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
> news:3fa8f442@news.povray.org...
> > It occurred to me that this is a remarkable international effort. I'm
not
> > sure, but I think that each of us working on this tribute is from a
> > different country. We are doing something that just a few years ago
would
> > have been impossible. In celebration of that fact, I thought it would be
> > cool if each of us made an ornament that represents in some symbolic way
> the
> > country we're from. I made this one representing my country, the USA. I
> can
> > upload the .mdl file to the yahoo group if needed. Is anyone interested
in
> > doing this? Even if you're not, I'm really curious, what country are you
> > from?
> > Steve Shelby
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Another batch of cookies [8194 days 20 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:23:02 GMT

They are crunchy!!
By the way, giving them a little bit of "roughness" on the crunchy surface??
I know! I know!! Always the same: people coming to eat everything to the
last crumb, and then complaining or coming with advice  ;-))

Thomas


"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
news:3fb0df73@news.povray.org...
> This time I left them in the oven about 5 minutes longer ;~^}>
> Actually, I used an image map, a gradient with lighter color above and
below
> and dark in the middle. I tried a lot of other things, like the color
maps,
> pigment maps, etc., but couldn't get good results.
> Steve Shelby
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Another batch of cookies [8194 days 21 hours and 3 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:53:53 GMT

Much better :-)
Marc
"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3fb0df73@news.povray.org...
> This time I left them in the oven about 5 minutes longer ;~^}>
> Actually, I used an image map, a gradient with lighter color above and
below
> and dark in the middle. I tried a lot of other things, like the color
maps,
> pigment maps, etc., but couldn't get good results.
> Steve Shelby
>
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Another batch of cookies [8194 days 21 hours and 48 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:09:07 GMT

This time I left them in the oven about 5 minutes longer ;~^}>
Actually, I used an image map, a gradient with lighter color above and below
and dark in the middle. I tried a lot of other things, like the color maps,
pigment maps, etc., but couldn't get good results.
Steve Shelby

[Thomas de Groot] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8195 days and 23 minutes ago]

Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:34:18 GMT

Well, in following the idea of Steve, I made a medallion (Steve's!) with a
painting by Vermeer: The view of Delft. IMO, it represents some of the
quintessential things of the Netherlands: skies, water, old stones (what's
left of them), painters...
I shall upload it presently.

Thomas

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
news:3fa8f442@news.povray.org...
> It occurred to me that this is a remarkable international effort. I'm not
> sure, but I think that each of us working on this tribute is from a
> different country. We are doing something that just a few years ago would
> have been impossible. In celebration of that fact, I thought it would be
> cool if each of us made an ornament that represents in some symbolic way
the
> country we're from. I made this one representing my country, the USA. I
can
> upload the .mdl file to the yahoo group if needed. Is anyone interested in
> doing this? Even if you're not, I'm really curious, what country are you
> from?
> Steve Shelby
>
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: Cookie, anyone? [8195 days 21 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:27:34 GMT

Thanks, excellent idea. I'll see what I can do.
Steve

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3faf5151@news.povray.org...
> Yummy :)
> Why not to get cookies more baked on the edges and ends by applying a
> spherical patterned pigment?
> Marc
>
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 3faf0693@news.povray.org...
> > I whipped up a batch of fancy decorated holiday cookies. Enjoy! ;~^}>
> > Steve Shelby
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Cookie, anyone? [8196 days 2 hours and 7 minutes ago]

Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:50:25 GMT

Yummy :)
Why not to get cookies more baked on the edges and ends by applying a
spherical patterned pigment?
Marc

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3faf0693@news.povray.org...
> I whipped up a batch of fancy decorated holiday cookies. Enjoy! ;~^}>
> Steve Shelby
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8196 days 3 hours and 14 minutes ago]

Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:43:17 GMT

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:3fae1ca6$1@news.povray.org...
>
> Once I traveled with my band to Perth (Scotland) with a Camembert (soft
> cheese) that I choosed to be just mature after 2 days van travel.
> Our horrified host watched us tasting with relish this yum-yum stuff but
we
> never got him tasting it.
> Marc
>
I can imagine! And what about Munster? Excellent cheese, really, but you
need gloves to cut away the (soft) crust, otherwise your fingers keep
smelling....!

Thomas

[Steve Shelby] Cookie, anyone? [8196 days 7 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Mon, 10 Nov 2003 03:31:31 GMT

I whipped up a batch of fancy decorated holiday cookies. Enjoy! ;~^}>
Steve Shelby

[Marc Jacquier] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8197 days and 3 minutes ago]

Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:53:26 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] nitgtnonl> a écrit dans le message de news:
3FAA320F.10720C10@nitg.tno.nl...
>
> PS Yes, a stinky cheese, I would like that! Especially the ones you cannot
> travel with in public!!!

LOL
Once I traveled with my band to Perth (Scotland) with a Camembert (soft
cheese) that I choosed to be just mature after 2 days van travel.
Our horrified host watched us tasting with relish this yum-yum stuff but we
never got him tasting it.
Marc

[Jamie Davison] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8199 days 13 hours and 6 minutes ago]

Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:50:35 GMT

> >What about an empty can of tennants?  <grins, and runs for cover>
> 
> LOL :-}

Or an empty/full Irn Bru bottle?

Scotland being one of the very few western countries where coca cola 
isn't the best selling soft drink.

Jamie.

[Thomas de Groot] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8199 days 23 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:34:04 GMT

My first thought for myself, was a wooden shoe, then I thought that THAT was a
little bit of a cliché. So my suggestion would be (to all of us) to find some
less obvious item, not directly pointing to our country/region, but that is
associated with it...
Oh well... I feel I am getting a little bit foggy. What I mean is, a painting
for instance, or the detail from a painting, something like that...

Thomas

PS Yes, a stinky cheese, I would like that! Especially the ones you cannot
travel with in public!!!

Marc Jacquier wrote:

> BTW I was born and live in Brittany, western France (though I travelled a
> bit).
> I have no idea on what could symbolize my country ( a stinky cheese? yum
> yum! )
> any idea?
> Marc
> "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 3fa941ba@news.povray.org...
> >

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 2 hours and 24 minutes ago]

Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:33:06 GMT

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:59:41 -0000, Jamie Davison <jam### [at] ntlworldcom>
wrote:

>What about an empty can of tennants?  <grins, and runs for cover>

LOL :-}

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 13 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:31:24 GMT

"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] imporg> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns### [at] 204213191226...
> Brittany?
>
http://www.celticattic.com/contact_us/the_celts/celtic_nations/brittany.htm
>
Oh you mean Gwenn ha Du?
I keep it in mind
Marc

[Jamie Davison] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 13 hours and 55 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:01:32 GMT

> > I'm really curious, what country are you from?
> I'm from the UK. I live in England, London but I'm originally from Glasgow in
> Scotland. As for something representing my nation I thought of a caber but I see
> you're using one in the tree:-}

What about an empty can of tennants?  <grins, and runs for cover>

Jamie.

[Tom Galvin] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 14 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:45:16 GMT

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in
news:3fa9492a@news.povray.org: 

> BTW I was born and live in Brittany, western France (though I
> travelled a bit).
> I have no idea on what could symbolize my country ( a stinky cheese?
> yum yum! )
> any idea?
> Marc
> 
> 



Brittany? 
http://www.celticattic.com/contact_us/the_celts/celtic_nations/brittany.htm


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[Marc Jacquier] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 15 hours and 55 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:02:02 GMT

BTW I was born and live in Brittany, western France (though I travelled a
bit).
I have no idea on what could symbolize my country ( a stinky cheese? yum
yum! )
any idea?
Marc
"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> a écrit dans le message de news:
3fa941ba@news.povray.org...
>
> "Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] imporg> a écrit dans le message de news:
> Xns### [at] 204213191226...
> > A tartan ornament?
>
> I had the same idea and had a try at a procedural tartan
> see attached MDL
>
> Marc
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 16 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:30:18 GMT

"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] imporg> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns### [at] 204213191226...
> A tartan ornament?

I had the same idea and had a try at a procedural tartan
see attached MDL

Marc

[Tom Galvin] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 17 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:30:44 GMT

Stephen McAvoy <McA### [at] aolcom> wrote in
news:ec4iqvcebd9im4ign9mo9qvin404ldc9lg@4ax.com: 

> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:59:38 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet>
> wrote: 
> 
> I'll try and come up with something if not a Union Flag on your
> Christmas ball. 
> 
> 

A tartan ornament?

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[Stephen McAvoy] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 19 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:05:09 GMT

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:59:38 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote:

> I'm really curious, what country are you from?
I'm from the UK. I live in England, London but I'm originally from Glasgow in
Scotland. As for something representing my nation I thought of a caber but I see
you're using one in the tree:-}
I'll try and come up with something if not a Union Flag on your Christmas ball.

Regards
        Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 20 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:22:27 GMT

Indeed. We take it for granted somehow, that we can communicate by e-mail and
through the internet (I confess, I am having trouble writing with a pen
nowadays!!), this is however, very recent. I have been involved in international
research projects until about some five years ago, and even then not all
participants had an e-mail address. Often, the fastest mean was the fax!
So, yes, we may rightly celebrate this little feat!

OK. A wooden shoe it will be for me (Netherlands), although a pair of boots
would be better perhaps, living at five meters below sea level as I do!!

Thomas

Steve Shelby wrote:

> It occurred to me that this is a remarkable international effort. I'm not
> sure, but I think that each of us working on this tribute is from a
> different country. We are doing something that just a few years ago would
> have been impossible. In celebration of that fact, I thought it would be
> cool if each of us made an ornament that represents in some symbolic way the
> country we're from. I made this one representing my country, the USA. I can
> upload the .mdl file to the yahoo group if needed. Is anyone interested in
> doing this? Even if you're not, I'm really curious, what country are you
> from?
> Steve Shelby
>
>  [Image]

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Tree with lights with halos [8200 days 20 hours and 46 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:10:28 GMT

OK. Quite acceptable. I had not yet experimented with Tim's haze, so I was
curious...

Thomas

Steve Shelby wrote:

> I'm glad you like it. It took about 1 hr. 40 min. to render directly with
> Povray for 800x600 pixels.
> Steve

[Steve Shelby] Re: Tree with lights with halos [8200 days 21 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:04:44 GMT

I'm glad you like it. It took about 1 hr. 40 min. to render directly with
Povray for 800x600 pixels.
Steve
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] nitgtnonl> wrote in message
news:3FA8F388.7CAEBA2F@nitg.tno.nl...
> Yess!!!!!
> That's it, Steve! Tim's "haze" is the ultimate solution!
> How long did it take to render? Sometimes media renders slowly...
>
> Thomas
>
> Steve Shelby wrote:
>
> > I added a sphere with media (Tim Cook's "haze", with some adjustments)
to
> > each light to create a halo effect. what do you think?
> > Steve Shelby
> >
> >  [Image]
>

[Steve Shelby] In celebration of our diversity (tribute) [8200 days 21 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:59:46 GMT

It occurred to me that this is a remarkable international effort. I'm not
sure, but I think that each of us working on this tribute is from a
different country. We are doing something that just a few years ago would
have been impossible. In celebration of that fact, I thought it would be
cool if each of us made an ornament that represents in some symbolic way the
country we're from. I made this one representing my country, the USA. I can
upload the .mdl file to the yahoo group if needed. Is anyone interested in
doing this? Even if you're not, I'm really curious, what country are you
from?
Steve Shelby

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Tree with lights with halos [8200 days 22 hours and 2 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:55:01 GMT

Yess!!!!!
That's it, Steve! Tim's "haze" is the ultimate solution!
How long did it take to render? Sometimes media renders slowly...

Thomas

Steve Shelby wrote:

> I added a sphere with media (Tim Cook's "haze", with some adjustments) to
> each light to create a halo effect. what do you think?
> Steve Shelby
>
>  [Image]

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Tree with lights with halos [8201 days and 7 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:49:27 GMT

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:05:59 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote:

>Sorry to hear about your system crash. I hope you had things backed up.
>Steve

All my data is safe, it's reinstalling the programmes and MS updates that will
take a while repairing :-{
Well it gives me the chance to clean out all the graphics programmes I don't use
:-}


Regards
        Stephen

[Steve Shelby] Re: Tree with lights with halos [8201 days 7 hours and 45 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:11:31 GMT

"Neonux" <neo### [at] softhomenet> wrote in message
news:3fa8300b@news.povray.org...
> Fantastic.  :)  Where's my gift?  Can I open it now?... oh hang on its
only
> a render... doh!  ;-)

Thanx, your gift is there, just lift up that bottom branch a little... ;~^}>
Steve

[Steve Shelby] Re: Tree with lights with halos [8201 days 7 hours and 51 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:06:01 GMT

Thanx,
Sorry to hear about your system crash. I hope you had things backed up.
Steve

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:qmggqvsehg3hu108s8stpbhde5gc2qidil@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:34:49 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet>
wrote:
>
> >I added a sphere with media (Tim Cook's "haze", with some adjustments) to
> >each light to create a halo effect. what do you think?
>
> Very nice indeed!
> BTW I've had a system crash and had to do a complete reinstall soI will
not
> manage to do any people :-{ Sorry. Anyway It would have been to resource
hungry.
>
>
> Regards
>         Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Tree with lights with halos [8201 days 10 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:25:30 GMT

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:34:49 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote:

>I added a sphere with media (Tim Cook's "haze", with some adjustments) to
>each light to create a halo effect. what do you think?

Very nice indeed!
BTW I've had a system crash and had to do a complete reinstall soI will not
manage to do any people :-{ Sorry. Anyway It would have been to resource hungry.

Regards
        Stephen

[Neonux] Re: Tree with lights with halos [8201 days 11 hours and 54 minutes ago]

Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:02:35 GMT

> I added a sphere with media (Tim Cook's "haze", with some adjustments) to
> each light to create a halo effect. what do you think?
> Steve Shelby

Fantastic.  :)  Where's my gift?  Can I open it now?... oh hang on its only
a render... doh!  ;-)




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[Steve Shelby] Tree with lights with halos [8201 days 12 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:34:59 GMT

I added a sphere with media (Tim Cook's "haze", with some adjustments) to
each light to create a halo effect. what do you think?
Steve Shelby

[Steve Shelby] Re: Tree with lights (this time for real) [8201 days 21 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:36:55 GMT

Tim,
Thank you for the suggestion. After much experimentation with your haze
material, I've found something that seems to work: a sphere around each
light, with haze, absorption adjusted to
-0.01, and scattering adjusted to rgb .001.
I'll post a picture in a few hours, after it renders.
Steve Shelby

"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> wrote in message
news:3fa5835e$1@news.povray.org...
> Thomas de Groot wrote:
> > I would suggest a little halo around the lights, either with the glow
plugin
> > of Sylvain, or with the flare plugin(s)?
>
> Or you could throw my 'haze' material around the tree and
> use the lights themselves for the glows.  (Or make a second
> set that interacts with media with different properties).
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: Tree with lights (this time for real) [8201 days 22 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:22:32 GMT

Thomas,
Thanks for the info. I tried both of them and although they produce some
very nice effects, neither of them can be made part of a csg, which means
that each one would have to be positioned with each light individually,
which I have neither the time nor the patience to do. I've been
experimenting with media, too, but have not succeeded with that yet. I will
upload the .mdl file to the yahoo group in case you or anyone else wants to
experiment with it.
Steve
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] nitgtnonl> wrote in message
news:3FA66545.4FE53136@nitg.tno.nl...
> Hmmm...
> You need the stuff by Nathan Kopp I believe (NKFlare at:
> http://nathan.kopp.com/pov-ray.htm ). And there is also the LensFX to be
> downloaded from the Moray site (which I prefer) which includes All of
Chris
> Colefax's different lenses. If I remember well, it is said what you need
and
> where to put it.
> But, you are right, glows and flares render more slowly, especially with a
large
> number of them... Hmm... What is media going to do, though?
>
> Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Tree with lights (this time for real) [8202 days 20 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:23:27 GMT

Hmmm...
You need the stuff by Nathan Kopp I believe (NKFlare at:
http://nathan.kopp.com/pov-ray.htm ). And there is also the LensFX to be
downloaded from the Moray site (which I prefer) which includes All of Chris
Colefax's different lenses. If I remember well, it is said what you need and
where to put it.
But, you are right, glows and flares render more slowly, especially with a large
number of them... Hmm... What is media going to do, though?

Thomas

Steve Shelby wrote:

> Thank you.
> I tried using the glow plugin, and rendering was slowed down so much it
> would take all day.
> I tried out the lense flare that I already had in moray and it wouldn't
> work. It says Povray cannot open inc file. I think maybe I'm missing
> something. Where is the download site for lense flare?
> Steve
>

[Tim Cook] Re: Tree with lights (this time for real) [8203 days 12 hours and 36 minutes ago]

Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:21:18 GMT

Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I would suggest a little halo around the lights, either with the glow plugin
> of Sylvain, or with the flare plugin(s)?

Or you could throw my 'haze' material around the tree and
use the lights themselves for the glows.  (Or make a second
set that interacts with media with different properties).

[Steve Shelby] Re: Tree with lights (this time for real) [8203 days 15 hours and 54 minutes ago]

Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:02:47 GMT

Thank you.
I tried using the glow plugin, and rendering was slowed down so much it
would take all day.
I tried out the lense flare that I already had in moray and it wouldn't
work. It says Povray cannot open inc file. I think maybe I'm missing
something. Where is the download site for lense flare?
Steve

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message
news:3fa51925@news.povray.org...
> Excellent Steve! Looks very nice!
> The needles have exactly that kind of reflection you would expect, perhaps
a
> little plastic-like, but that is not really an issue IMO.
> I would suggest a little halo around the lights, either with the glow
plugin
> of Sylvain, or with the flare plugin(s)?
>
> Thomas
>
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
> news:3fa4f8e2@news.povray.org...
> > Here's the tree with lights on it. This scene has no other lights other
> than
> > those on the tree. Any suggestions?
> > Steve Shelby
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Tree with lights (this time for real) [8203 days 20 hours and 9 minutes ago]

Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:48:05 GMT

Excellent Steve! Looks very nice!
The needles have exactly that kind of reflection you would expect, perhaps a
little plastic-like, but that is not really an issue IMO.
I would suggest a little halo around the lights, either with the glow plugin
of Sylvain, or with the flare plugin(s)?

Thomas

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> schreef in bericht
news:3fa4f8e2@news.povray.org...
> Here's the tree with lights on it. This scene has no other lights other
than
> those on the tree. Any suggestions?
> Steve Shelby
>
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Tree with lights (this time for real) [8203 days 22 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:30:26 GMT

Here's the tree with lights on it. This scene has no other lights other than
those on the tree. Any suggestions?
Steve Shelby

[Steve Shelby] Tree with lights [8203 days 22 hours and 49 minutes ago]

Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:07:29 GMT

Here's the tree with lights on it. This scene has no other lights other than
those on the tree. Any suggestions?
Steve Shelby

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] a small chinese table with toy mod... [8204 days 1 hour and 46 minutes ago]

Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:10:28 GMT

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:52:27 +0100, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet>
wrote:

>can do.
Thanks.

Regards
        Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] Re: [Tribute] a small chinese table with toy mod... [8204 days 3 hours and 4 minutes ago]

Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:52:30 GMT

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> schreef in bericht
news:h315qvs9r1l561djdr0sid9e4atd9gg92g@4ax.com...
> That is nice, I would like a copy for posterity.
>
can do.

Thomas

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] a small chinese table with toy mod... [8205 days 19 hours and 6 minutes ago]

Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:51:00 GMT

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:28:40 +0100, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet>
wrote:

>Shall I upload it?

That is nice, I would like a copy for posterity. 

Regards
        Stephen

[Thomas de Groot] [Tribute] a small chinese table with toy model? [8205 days 20 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:31:18 GMT

I think the scene is becoming quite cluttered. Nonetheless, I could not stop
myself from puting together this little scene of classical chinese lacquered
table, with a model of a medieval house as a toy on top.
Shall I upload it?
Don't hesitate to say no!!   {:-)

Thomas

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: rotational sweep question (revised) - RotSwe... [8206 days 2 hours and 10 minutes ago]

Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:47:11 GMT

I have reduced the "Divisions" so you can see the control points more clearly.


Regards
        Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] Xmas Card - XmasCard.png [8206 days 16 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:26:15 GMT

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:54:19 +0100, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>Did you let the diffuse at default 0.6? with image_map pigment I'm used to
>rise it to 0.8 or even 0.9 because IMO they are gray and dull at  diffuse 0.6

Hmm. I did not use a finish with the image_map pigment. You are right of course,
I find diffuse 0.6 too grey. When I checked the card in the room there were
probably too many lights so the it looked white not grey. 
This is probably a good project to learn from other peoples work.

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] Xmas Card - XmasCard.png [8206 days 19 hours and 4 minutes ago]

Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:52:50 GMT

Good idea
Did you let the diffuse at default 0.6? with image_map pigment I'm used to
rise it to 0.8 or even 0.9 because IMO they are gray and dull at  diffuse
0.6
Marc
"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
4l92qvcjjm59pd9mm23ovdrt7an20o0o9i@4ax.com...
> I have just uploaded a Xmas Card. The Front picture is TMWinter fron Tom
Melly
> who gave me permission to modify and use it.
>
>
> Regards
>         Stephen
>
>

[Stephen McAvoy] [Tribute] Xmas Card - XmasCard.png [8206 days 19 hours and 59 minutes ago]

Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:57:48 GMT

I have just uploaded a Xmas Card. The Front picture is TMWinter fron Tom Melly
who gave me permission to modify and use it.


Regards
        Stephen

[Steve Shelby] Re: New, Improved Tree [8207 days 12 hours and 10 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:47:11 GMT

Thank you.
Steve

"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> wrote in message
news:3f9ff115@news.povray.org...
> "Steve Shelby" escribió en el mensaje news:3f9fcdd8@news.povray.org...
> > Hi,
> > I spent most of last week making lights for the tree, then putting them
on
> > the tree. Then I could see just how inadequate the tree was. It was not
> > something I felt I could be proud of. So then I spent the next several
> days
> > making a better tree. Finally, after much revision and re-starting, I
have
> a
> > new tree, made entirely with Moray. I got some good lessons on using
> > reference objects and the Duplicate Dialogue.
>
> Good job with the tree, now it looks much better than the previous
version.
>
> Bye
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: New, Improved Tree [8207 days 12 hours and 10 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:46:29 GMT

Thanks.
I need some time to think about your suggestion. Let's see how it looks when
it's filled in with lights and ornaments first.
Steve

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f9fefdf$1@news.povray.org...
> Great!
> May be a bit too regular?
> Is it possible to tweak it, add some randomness in branches angles,
> lengthes?
> Marc
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 3f9fcdd8@news.povray.org...
> > Hi,
> > I spent most of last week making lights for the tree, then putting them
on
> > the tree. Then I could see just how inadequate the tree was. It was not
> > something I felt I could be proud of. So then I spent the next several
> days
> > making a better tree. Finally, after much revision and re-starting, I
have
> a
> > new tree, made entirely with Moray. I got some good lessons on using
> > reference objects and the Duplicate Dialogue.
> > BTW, I am really impressed with all of the contributions that have been
> sent
> > in. Everything is really 1st class. :~^}>
> > Steve Shelby
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: New, Improved Tree [8207 days 12 hours and 14 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:43:06 GMT

Thanks.

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:d4pvpvs741u3huscj0ksr6bks9g434h67v@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:01:19 +0000, Stephen McAvoy <McA### [at] aolcom>
wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:25:11 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet>
wrote:
> >
> >>So then I spent the next several days making a better tree.
> >
> >Argg! I hope the dimensions are not too different. Please upload it and I
will
> >modify my Xmas Tree Fairy if it needs it:-}
> >
> BTW I forgot to say the new tree looks even better, nice job.
>
> Regards
>         Stephen

[Steve Shelby] Re: New, Improved Tree [8207 days 12 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:42:15 GMT

It's uploaded. It's almost exactly the same dimensions as the other tree. If
you need to, you can remove the top end on the tree.
Steve

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:guovpv85a12ao4pdtaqmsc9pp1e8sb3ier@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:25:11 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet>
wrote:
>
> >So then I spent the next several days making a better tree.
>
> Argg! I hope the dimensions are not too different. Please upload it and I
will
> modify my Xmas Tree Fairy if it needs it:-}
>
>
> Regards
>         Stephen

[Txemi Jendrix] Re: New, Improved Tree [8207 days 18 hours and 1 minute ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:55:49 GMT

"Steve Shelby" escribió en el mensaje news:3f9fcdd8@news.povray.org...
> Hi,
> I spent most of last week making lights for the tree, then putting them on
> the tree. Then I could see just how inadequate the tree was. It was not
> something I felt I could be proud of. So then I spent the next several
days
> making a better tree. Finally, after much revision and re-starting, I have
a
> new tree, made entirely with Moray. I got some good lessons on using
> reference objects and the Duplicate Dialogue.

Good job with the tree, now it looks much better than the previous version.

Bye

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Marc Jacquier] Re: New, Improved Tree [8207 days 18 hours and 6 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:50:39 GMT

Great!
May be a bit too regular?
Is it possible to tweak it, add some randomness in branches angles,
lengthes?
Marc
"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9fcdd8@news.povray.org...
> Hi,
> I spent most of last week making lights for the tree, then putting them on
> the tree. Then I could see just how inadequate the tree was. It was not
> something I felt I could be proud of. So then I spent the next several
days
> making a better tree. Finally, after much revision and re-starting, I have
a
> new tree, made entirely with Moray. I got some good lessons on using
> reference objects and the Duplicate Dialogue.
> BTW, I am really impressed with all of the contributions that have been
sent
> in. Everything is really 1st class. :~^}>
> Steve Shelby
>
>
>

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: New, Improved Tree [8207 days 18 hours and 54 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:03:14 GMT

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:01:19 +0000, Stephen McAvoy <McA### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:25:11 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote:
>
>>So then I spent the next several days making a better tree.
>
>Argg! I hope the dimensions are not too different. Please upload it and I will
>modify my Xmas Tree Fairy if it needs it:-}
>
BTW I forgot to say the new tree looks even better, nice job.

Regards
        Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: New, Improved Tree [8207 days 18 hours and 56 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:01:20 GMT

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:25:11 -0500, "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote:

>So then I spent the next several days making a better tree.

Argg! I hope the dimensions are not too different. Please upload it and I will
modify my Xmas Tree Fairy if it needs it:-}


Regards
        Stephen

[Steve Shelby] New, Improved Tree [8207 days 20 hours and 31 minutes ago]

Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:25:28 GMT

Hi,
I spent most of last week making lights for the tree, then putting them on
the tree. Then I could see just how inadequate the tree was. It was not
something I felt I could be proud of. So then I spent the next several days
making a better tree. Finally, after much revision and re-starting, I have a
new tree, made entirely with Moray. I got some good lessons on using
reference objects and the Duplicate Dialogue.
BTW, I am really impressed with all of the contributions that have been sent
in. Everything is really 1st class. :~^}>
Steve Shelby

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Magritte candlestick [8208 days 12 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:30:10 GMT

Oh you did model it, lol I just finished mine.
BTW I just noticed a flaw on the mirror frame (too many spheres copies)
I correct it and uploade the file on yahoo

Marc

"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9ede14@news.povray.org...
> Here it is the candlestick from the magritte picture.
> Bye
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
>
>

[Txemi Jendrix] Magritte candlestick [8208 days 13 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:22:28 GMT

Here it is the candlestick from the magritte picture.
Bye

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Txemi Jendrix] Re: [tribute] Mirror [8208 days 14 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:33:29 GMT

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> escribió en el mensaje
news:3f9eced5@news.povray.org...
> What about this mirror above the fireplace?
> the frame is a csg with prism and spheres
> Is it worth uploading?
> Marc

Nice, and yes, it's worth uploading ;-)
(at least IMHO).

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Marc Jacquier] [tribute] Mirror [8208 days 14 hours and 40 minutes ago]

Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:17:25 GMT

What about this mirror above the fireplace?
the frame is a csg with prism and spheres
Is it worth uploading?
Marc

[Txemi Jendrix] Tribute - clock for the mantelpiece [8209 days 10 hours and 24 minutes ago]

Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:32:40 GMT

See same post in moray.beta.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Lutz Kretzschmar] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8210 days 16 hours and 51 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:06:14 GMT

Hi Steve Shelby, you recently wrote in moray.binaries:

> Once Moray has written the
> .pov file, if you open it in Povray and render it there it goes much faster.
You're probably using a lot of memory. I would check Task Manager and
see how much memory is being used.
The communication between Moray and POV-Ray incurs a very low overhead
and I would be surprised if you noticed it for any scenes that render
slower than 5 seconds or so....

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8210 days 20 hours and 19 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:38:24 GMT

Ooops I didn't check the zipped mdl :-/
I upload the  correct scene
Marc
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9bdb0c@news.povray.org...
> Strange... when I open the scene, it is empty! Only a camera and a light.
No
> InsertCode present...
>
> Thomas
>
>
> "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
> news:3f9a7efb@news.povray.org...
> > What do you think of these easy bookshelves
> > I just called Gilles Tran's MakeLibrary.inc  with InsertCode plugin.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8210 days 20 hours and 24 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:32:44 GMT

Strange... when I open the scene, it is empty! Only a camera and a light. No
InsertCode present...

Thomas


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:3f9a7efb@news.povray.org...
> What do you think of these easy bookshelves
> I just called Gilles Tran's MakeLibrary.inc  with InsertCode plugin.
>
> Marc
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 2 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:34:00 GMT

"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9b4e4c@news.povray.org...
> "Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> escribió en el mensaje
> news:3f9abba9$1@news.povray.org...
> > Hehehe :)
>
> I  don't know why. The fire place itself renders in 5 minutes here
> (AthlonXP 1700Mhz, 512 MB DDR 333 Ram).

may be using arealights or point lights?

> Apart from that, and this tries to be constructive criticism,
> IMO the floor is too reflective in your image
I agree: it looks like epoxy glossed floor more than wax.

Marc

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Tribute - Another gift [8211 days 2 hours and 28 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:29:04 GMT

Lol well done
Why not a map on the table?
http://www.moraydiving.com/Moray1.jpg
or
http://www.antiquemaps.com/uk/scotland/12245.jpg

Marc

"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9b4b05@news.povray.org...
> Forgot to mention, but the blue thing is a moray ;-)
>
> Txemi Jendrix
>  http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Tribute - Another gift [8211 days 2 hours and 30 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:26:36 GMT

Cool, i'm ok
how is the swell today?

Marc
"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9b4a16@news.povray.org...
> Well, I don't know if this is a little too much.
> I've made a surf board as a gift (ribbon included),
> it  could go behind the tree.
> Well, tell me what you think.
> If everyone think its OK, I'll upload it to Yahoo.
> See you
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 3 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:34:00 GMT

Great!!!!
(I love books...)

Thomas


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:3f9a7efb@news.povray.org...
> What do you think of these easy bookshelves
> I just called Gilles Tran's MakeLibrary.inc  with InsertCode plugin.
>
> Marc
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] Re: [Tribute] a painting for on the wall [8211 days 3 hours and 24 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:32:37 GMT

OK. I shall upload also this version and leave it to Stefan which will be
best in the final render.

Thomas

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> schreef in bericht
news:ij1lpv48grof48oekgj6ojn4ksf2p1qnqb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:33:34 +0200, "Thomas de Groot"
<t.d### [at] internlnet>
> wrote:
>
> >What do you think?
>
> I think I prefer the original. The transparency of the LH leg is better
but a
> lot depends on the resolution of the final rendering of the tribute.
>
> Regards
>         Stephen

[Txemi Jendrix] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 6 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:32:12 GMT

"Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> escribió en el mensaje
news:3f9abba9$1@news.povray.org...
> Hehehe :)
>
> Well, I kind of assumed that it was my responsibility to render the scene.
> I can tell you that when I added the fire place it took something like
> 6 hrs more to render "our room".
> That's on a P4 2,667 GHz with 512 MiB DDR 333 RAM.

I  don't know why. The fire place itself renders in 5 minutes here
(AthlonXP 1700Mhz, 512 MB DDR 333 Ram).

Apart from that, and this tries to be constructive criticism,
IMO the floor is too reflective in your image
(i don't know if it is related with the render time),
and the separations between the planks that make the parkett
are not visible.

> I will look into it later. Right now I'm adding the new objects to the
scene
> and I will render it over night.

Waiting to see the next version.

> /Stefan

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Txemi Jendrix] Re: Tribute - Another gift [8211 days 6 hours and 39 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:18:13 GMT

Forgot to mention, but the blue thing is a moray ;-)

Txemi Jendrix
 http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Txemi Jendrix] Tribute - Another gift [8211 days 6 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:14:14 GMT

Well, I don't know if this is a little too much.
I've made a surf board as a gift (ribbon included),
it  could go behind the tree.
Well, tell me what you think.
If everyone think its OK, I'll upload it to Yahoo.
See you

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Steve Shelby] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 7 hours and 18 minutes ago]

Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:39:14 GMT

Stefan,
You might find this useful. I've found that scenes render much faster when
using povray directly than they do using Moray. Once Moray has written the
.pov file, if you open it in Povray and render it there it goes much faster.
Steve Shelby

"Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> wrote in message
news:3f9abba9$1@news.povray.org...
> Hehehe :)
>
> Well, I kind of assumed that it was my responsibility to render the scene.
> I can tell you that when I added the fire place it took something like
> 6 hrs more to render "our room".
> That's on a P4 2,667 GHz with 512 MiB DDR 333 RAM.
>
> I will look into it later. Right now I'm adding the new objects to the
scene
> and I will render it over night.

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 14 hours and 11 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:46:03 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:13:53 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>Well actually I did :p but that's very new for me ( aren't we drifting
>slightly OT? ;)

Yes :-}


Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 14 hours and 45 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:12:23 GMT

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
38klpv0gt1sgsnqpu3eg9u932krbebdk06@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:33:52 +0200, "Marc Jacquier"
<jac### [at] wanadoofr>
> wrote:
>
> >> Of course, isn't it obvious :-}
> >Err I'm still learning English you know :p
>
> Sorry I thought (don't know why) that you had been reading the thread in
off
> topic
> Is Bill banned or what?
> The relevant part is when Marc Champagne replies to Tom Melly On 23 Oct
2003
> 22:55:22 -0400, after he said "Tell me about it.
Well actually I did :p but that's very new for me ( aren't we drifting
slightly OT? ;)
>
> > OoOps! false friend (is it correct?)
>
> No, a false friend means simply someone who appears to be a friend, but is
> actually an enemy.
> Or so I thought until I found this.
> False friends are pairs of words in two languages that look or sound
similar but
> differ in meaning. Such words can cause difficulty for students learning a
> foreign language because the students are likely to misidentify the words
based
> on knowledge of their native language.
Exactly :-D
>
> Hmm thank

> Regards
>         Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 15 hours and 19 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:38:15 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:33:52 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>> Of course, isn't it obvious :-}
>Err I'm still learning English you know :p

Sorry I thought (don't know why) that you had been reading the thread in off
topic 
Is Bill banned or what?
The relevant part is when Marc Champagne replies to Tom Melly On 23 Oct 2003
22:55:22 -0400, after he said "Tell me about it.

> OoOps! false friend (is it correct?)

No, a false friend means simply someone who appears to be a friend, but is
actually an enemy.
Or so I thought until I found this.
False friends are pairs of words in two languages that look or sound similar but
differ in meaning. Such words can cause difficulty for students learning a
foreign language because the students are likely to misidentify the words based
on knowledge of their native language.

Hmm thank you.

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 16 hours and 25 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:32:22 GMT

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
ubflpv89g1bpno96a7li3acb9oe2hjcvk0@4ax.com...
> Oh! Dear :-}
> Proposition - An offer of a private bargain, especially a request for
sexual
> relations.
OoOps! false friend (is it correct?)

> But I know what you mean. "Proposals"
Yessss that is!
>
> >LOL you mean DON'T tell me about it I guess ;-)
>
> Of course, isn't it obvious :-}
Err I'm still learning English you know :p

Marc

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 16 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:20:15 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:05:27 +0200, "Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> wrote:

>
>Well, I kind of assumed that it was my responsibility to render the scene.

A volunteer is worth ten pressed men.

Regards
        Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 16 hours and 39 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:17:28 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:06:01 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>Don't worry for that, I'm open, I just make propositions :c)

Oh! Dear :-}
Proposition - An offer of a private bargain, especially a request for sexual
relations.
But I know what you mean. "Proposals"

>LOL you mean DON'T tell me about it I guess ;-)

Of course, isn't it obvious :-}

Regards
        Stephen

[Stefan Persson] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 16 hours and 50 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:06:33 GMT

Hehehe :)

Well, I kind of assumed that it was my responsibility to render the scene.
I can tell you that when I added the fire place it took something like
6 hrs more to render "our room".
That's on a P4 2,667 GHz with 512 MiB DDR 333 RAM.

I will look into it later. Right now I'm adding the new objects to the scene
and I will render it over night.

/Stefan


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f9aad20@news.povray.org...
>
> "Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 5h8lpv8408f18cpg1h0fdqn2qgsiuujf7i@4ax.com...
> > Don't get me wrong, they look good.
> Don't worry for that, I'm open, I just make propositions :c)
> >I'm just concerned about rendering time and
> > memory. Maybe because I use a 1.6 GHz m/c with 512 Megs of memory.
> If I can help with my TB 1GHz  384MB :p
>
> >As for a
> > cluttered house. Tell me about it :-}}
> LOL you mean DON'T tell me about it I guess ;-)
>
> Marc
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 17 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:04:32 GMT

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
5h8lpv8408f18cpg1h0fdqn2qgsiuujf7i@4ax.com...
> Don't get me wrong, they look good.
Don't worry for that, I'm open, I just make propositions :c)
>I'm just concerned about rendering time and
> memory. Maybe because I use a 1.6 GHz m/c with 512 Megs of memory.
If I can help with my TB 1GHz  384MB :p

>As for a
> cluttered house. Tell me about it :-}}
LOL you mean DON'T tell me about it I guess ;-)

Marc

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 18 hours and 39 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:17:58 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:00:21 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>Oh yes I was remembering Christmas at my grand-parents who gathered a
>lifefull of furnitures, paints, objects and whose room were really cluttered
>:)

Don't get me wrong, they look good. I'm just concerned about rendering time and
memory. Maybe because I use a 1.6 GHz m/c with 512 Megs of memory. As for a
cluttered house. Tell me about it :-}}
Looks homely (Brit usage)

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 19 hours and 58 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:58:51 GMT

Oh yes I was remembering Christmas at my grand-parents who gathered a
lifefull of furnitures, paints, objects and whose room were really cluttered
:)
Now it could be seen  only in the mirror above the fireplace.

Marc
"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
as1lpvghvtnl4d2bkdf0rb1o1sdjk8f28r@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:49:07 +0200, "Marc Jacquier"
<jac### [at] wanadoofr>
> wrote:
>
> >What do you think of these easy bookshelves
>
> That InsertCode plugin is really handy. The library looks nice and will
make a
> good backdrop as long as the final room does not look too cluttered (IMO).
> Regards
>         Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] Gilles Tran Bookshelves [8211 days 20 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:24:17 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:49:07 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>What do you think of these easy bookshelves

That InsertCode plugin is really handy. The library looks nice and will make a
good backdrop as long as the final room does not look too cluttered (IMO).
Regards
        Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] a painting for on the wall [8211 days 20 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:19:44 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:33:34 +0200, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet>
wrote:

>What do you think?

I think I prefer the original. The transparency of the LH leg is better but a
lot depends on the resolution of the final rendering of the tribute.

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] a spider ornament [8211 days 20 hours and 59 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:57:47 GMT

EEEEEEEKK!!!! =8cO
:-)
Marc
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9a7df0@news.povray.org...
> This is an ornament for in the tree.
> As we are near Halloween....  ;-}
>
> Thomas
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] [Tribute] a spider ornament [8211 days 21 hours and 14 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:43:12 GMT

This is an ornament for in the tree.
As we are near Halloween....  ;-}

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] [Tribute] a spider ornament [8211 days 21 hours and 16 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:41:19 GMT

I posted a little ornament for in the tree.
As we are close to Halloween..... ;-}

Thomas

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] a painting for on the wall [8211 days 21 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:40:18 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9a7c37@news.povray.org...
> I made different versions of the painting. This is the one I am most
> satisfied with.
> What do you think?
>
I vote for this one :)
Marc

[Thomas de Groot] Re: [Tribute] a painting for on the wall [8211 days 21 hours and 21 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:35:51 GMT

I made different versions of the painting. This is the one I am most
satisfied with.
What do you think?

Thomas


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:3f9a482e@news.povray.org...
> Nice :-)
> Don't you think a dark or gray background (for the "M" )should fit better
> with a calssical indoor?
> I thought of a mirror above the fireplace.
> I'll try it (the frame is the tricky part of course)
> Marc

[Thomas de Groot] Re: [Tribute] a painting for on the wall [8211 days 23 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:31:15 GMT

Hmm.... yes, that is worth a try. I shall see what I can do...
The mirror: Yes!!! I had exactly the same idea! It would reflect the hidden
part of the room, which we can fill in also!!
About the frame of the mirror: a heightfield would work well I guess.

Thomas


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:3f9a482e@news.povray.org...
> Nice :-)
> Don't you think a dark or gray background (for the "M" )should fit better
> with a calssical indoor?
> I thought of a mirror above the fireplace.
> I'll try it (the frame is the tricky part of course)
> Marc
>
> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de
news:
> 3f9a44d2@news.povray.org...
> > I thought that a painting on the wall would be nice...
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] ... and a couple of little statues [8212 days and 36 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:20:32 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:40:47 +0200, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet>
wrote:

>... also uploaded to the group, a couple of little statues for on the
>mantlepiece or the table?
>

Early Henry Moore -ish nice.

Regards
        Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: [Tribute] a painting for on the wall [8212 days and 38 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:18:46 GMT

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:37:53 +0200, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet>
wrote:

>I thought that a painting on the wall would be nice...

I like that!

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] ... and a couple of little statues [8212 days and 53 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:03:29 GMT

on a bookshelf?
Marc
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9a4589@news.povray.org...
> ... also uploaded to the group, a couple of little statues for on the
> mantlepiece or the table?
>
> Thomas
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute] a painting for on the wall [8212 days 1 hour and 3 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:53:50 GMT

Nice :-)
Don't you think a dark or gray background (for the "M" )should fit better
with a calssical indoor?
I thought of a mirror above the fireplace.
I'll try it (the frame is the tricky part of course)
Marc

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f9a44d2@news.povray.org...
> I thought that a painting on the wall would be nice...
>
> Thomas
>
>
>

[Thomas de Groot] [Tribute] ... and a couple of little statues [8212 days 1 hour and 14 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:42:33 GMT

... also uploaded to the group, a couple of little statues for on the
mantlepiece or the table?

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] [Tribute] a painting for on the wall [8212 days 1 hour and 17 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:39:30 GMT

I thought that a painting on the wall would be nice...

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] [Tribute] Gift box with manniquins [8212 days 3 hours and 19 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:38:00 GMT

This is a view of an opened gift box with manniquins peeping out...
uploaded to the group, by the way.

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Morayicon ornament: Duplicate plugin!!!!! [8212 days 3 hours and 24 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:32:40 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> schreef in bericht
news:3f9a25ba@news.povray.org...
> Stefan,
> There is, you know, a plugin doing just that, called dublicate2 (sic). I
> attach it with this mail.
>
> Thomas
>

What I forgot to tell you, is that once installed, the plugin does not
appear at the same place as all the other plugins, but under 'Plugins' on
the menu bar of Moray at the top.

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Morayicon ornament: Duplicate plugin!!!!! [8212 days 3 hours and 30 minutes ago]

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:26:50 GMT

Stefan,
There is, you know, a plugin doing just that, called dublicate2 (sic). I
attach it with this mail.

Thomas


"Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> schreef in bericht
news:3f943b1f$1@news.povray.org...
> Yes, you're right.
> What I would like to see in that dialogue is "randomize" with seed, max
and
> min values.. ;)
>
> /Stefan
>
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote in message
> news:3f942767$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> > "Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> wrote in message
> > news:3f93e898$1@news.povray.org...
> > > Better :)
> > > Uploaded?
> >
> > Done.
> > >
> > > I haven't figured out a neat way to place the ornaments on the
> > > tree yet.. perhaps manyally is the only way.
> >
> > Probably, although the duplicate dialogue box might be worth a try.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Re: Signature ornaments and hooks [8213 days 20 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:23:38 GMT

You're welcome. That looks very good. I'd like to say it looks better than
mine, but I don't know what you started with. ;~^}>
Steve

"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> wrote in message
news:3f973413@news.povray.org...
> This is my try with the signature ornament.
> In this one, the tga file is 600x600 rather than
> 200x200 like yours.
> I suppose it's OK.
> Anyway, thanks for the lesson Steve, nice trick.
> See you.
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
>
>

[Txemi Jendrix] Re: Signature ornaments and hooks [8214 days 9 hours and 6 minutes ago]

Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:51:15 GMT

This is my try with the signature ornament.
In this one, the tga file is 600x600 rather than
200x200 like yours.
I suppose it's OK.
Anyway, thanks for the lesson Steve, nice trick.
See you.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Marc Jacquier] Re: mesh xmas packs (crashes) 545ko [8215 days 3 hours and 23 minutes ago]

Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:34:11 GMT

Well,
I'll try to make it again
a cube >convert to mesh > subdivide 4>convert to mesh>edit
I'll try to determine when it corrupts.
Marc
"Lutz Kretzschmar" <lut### [at] stmuccom> a écrit dans le message de news:
i66cpvs5e7i1ht26qvhbk28ulanu577ocu@4ax.com...
> Unfortunately it doesn't crash for me.... neither pack2 nor pack3...
>

[Lutz Kretzschmar] Re: mesh xmas packs (crashes) 545ko [8215 days 5 hours and 14 minutes ago]

Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:43:17 GMT

Hi Marc Jacquier, you recently wrote in moray.binaries:

> When I open it from menu open scene, merge scene or merge object, moray
> crashes.(see debug message)
Unfortunately it doesn't crash for me.... neither pack2 nor pack3...

- Lutz
  email : lut### [at] stmuccom
  Web   : http://www.stmuc.com/moray

[Stefan Persson] Re: Christmas tree tk 3 [8215 days 13 hours and 8 minutes ago]

Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:49:15 GMT

LOL! I will put that on the table. A nice touch. :)

/Stefan

"StephenS" <ssh### [at] echelonca> wrote in message
news:3f9522cb@news.povray.org...
> ...
> > Look in moray.beta
> >
> > /Stefan
> ...
>
> Looks nice :-)
> I think the CoffeeCup from the Moray distribution would look good on the
> table.
>
> Stephen
>
>

[StephenS] Re: Christmas tree tk 3 [8215 days 22 hours and 44 minutes ago]

Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:12:59 GMT

...
> Look in moray.beta
>
> /Stefan
...

Looks nice :-)
I think the CoffeeCup from the Moray distribution would look good on the
table.

Stephen

[Kman] Re: Xmas candles new version [8216 days 9 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:34:48 GMT

Sweet image, man!

-Kman

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f8fb899@news.povray.org...
> I improved flames medias and added a halo.
> lights are points, not area to not slow down render time.
> Candlesticks are blackholes for the render: when a rendering line gets
into
> one, it takes forever to get out
>
> Marc
>
>
>

[Stefan Persson] Re: Morayicon ornament [8216 days 15 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:44:31 GMT

Yes, you're right.
What I would like to see in that dialogue is "randomize" with seed, max and
min values.. ;)

/Stefan

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote in message
news:3f942767$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> wrote in message
> news:3f93e898$1@news.povray.org...
> > Better :)
> > Uploaded?
>
> Done.
> >
> > I haven't figured out a neat way to place the ornaments on the
> > tree yet.. perhaps manyally is the only way.
>
> Probably, although the duplicate dialogue box might be worth a try.
>
> Steve
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: mesh xmas packs (crashes) 545ko [8216 days 15 hours and 51 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:06:20 GMT

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f94247c$1@news.povray.org...
> Marc,
> It doesn't crash on my computer. I tried it several ways, opening the
files
> from the menu, merging scene, merging object. The only glitch was that
cube
> 1 and cube 2 needed to have material assigned to them.
Ooops
I was sure I had removed them, they were just to test with a CSG in the
scene as the crash seemed to happen during CSG evaluation.

> When I installed the new moray 3.5, I installed it over what was allready
> there. I have windows XP with a P4 2GH, 256mb ram laptop.
> Steve Shelby
I uninstalled  RC then installed final release in its own folder
WinMe Athlon TB 1GHz 384 MB ram

Marc

[Steve Shelby] Re: Morayicon ornament [8216 days 16 hours and 37 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:20:23 GMT

"Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> wrote in message
news:3f93e898$1@news.povray.org...
> Better :)
> Uploaded?

Done.
>
> I haven't figured out a neat way to place the ornaments on the
> tree yet.. perhaps manyally is the only way.

Probably, although the duplicate dialogue box might be worth a try.

Steve

[Steve Shelby] Re: mesh xmas packs (crashes) 545ko [8216 days 16 hours and 49 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:07:56 GMT

Marc,
It doesn't crash on my computer. I tried it several ways, opening the files
from the menu, merging scene, merging object. The only glitch was that cube
1 and cube 2 needed to have material assigned to them.
When I installed the new moray 3.5, I installed it over what was allready
there. I have windows XP with a P4 2GH, 256mb ram laptop.
Steve Shelby

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f93baeb@news.povray.org...
> here is the guilty file.
> When I open it from menu open scene, merge scene or merge object, moray
> crashes.(see debug message)
> If I drop and drag it on Moray, it opens.
> What happens?
> Marc
>
>
>

[Kman] Re: "Simulated" spotlights question [8216 days 17 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:22:30 GMT

The image flowerfan2_before.png is before caustics was turned on in my
"lense" material

The image flowerfan2_after.png is after, with a setting of 0.5.

Thot this might be of some interest to those trying to get an "uneven"
lighting effect in their images.

-Kman

[Stefan Persson] Re: Morayicon ornament [8216 days 21 hours and 5 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:52:24 GMT

Better :)
Uploaded?

I haven't figured out a neat way to place the ornaments on the
tree yet.. perhaps manyally is the only way.

/Stefan

"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> wrote in message
news:3f93e2f8@news.povray.org...
> I tweaked the finish on this. Any better?
>
>
>

[Steve Shelby] Morayicon ornament [8216 days 21 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:28:24 GMT

I tweaked the finish on this. Any better?

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Music Box Gift - box03a.png [8216 days 23 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:36:34 GMT

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:26:54 +0200, "Stefan Persson" <azy### [at] teliacom> wrote:

>I guess you could just have her spinning, no?
>Just rotating the mesh.

Yes!
There is a Group called Dancer. It should be set up to rotate correctly through
the Z axis. But as I said in the Yahoo messages The textures of the box jitter.
BTW To save on size I reduced the UDO to a bounding box, this does not help when
playing with it.
If anyone wants the full mdl I could post it some where.

Regards
        Stephen

[Stefan Persson] Re: Music Box Gift - box03a.png [8216 days 23 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:27:37 GMT

I guess you could just have her spinning, no?
Just rotating the mesh.

/Stefan

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:sfh7pv4q9s0ea6fns15927tptbm95rtn2j@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:43:53 +0200, "Marc Jacquier"
<jac### [at] wanadoofr>
> wrote:
>
> >I guess the dancer is responsible of the size of the file but it is
worth.
>
> Yes It is a poser model, I cut the size down as much as I could so close
ups
> might be a bit iffy.
> I originally thought of doing an animation where she dances on the plinth
but
> that would have involved a CD worth of mesh files :-{
>
>
> Regards
>         Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Music Box Gift - box03a.png [8216 days 23 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:24:58 GMT

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:43:53 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>I guess the dancer is responsible of the size of the file but it is worth.

Yes It is a poser model, I cut the size down as much as I could so close ups
might be a bit iffy.
I originally thought of doing an animation where she dances on the plinth but
that would have involved a CD worth of mesh files :-{


Regards
        Stephen

[Stefan Persson] Re: mesh xmas packs (crashes) 545ko [8217 days and 10 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:47:13 GMT

Strangely enough, this happens to me too when I try to open them in
the Official Moray 3.5. When I use the RC it loads fine.

/Stefan

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f93baeb@news.povray.org...
> here is the guilty file.
> When I open it from menu open scene, merge scene or merge object, moray
> crashes.(see debug message)
> If I drop and drag it on Moray, it opens.
> What happens?
> Marc
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Music Box Gift - box03a.png [8217 days and 14 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:42:26 GMT

Wow
I guess the dancer is responsible of the size of the file but it is worth.

Marc
"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
h9e7pvc7qa3v93dcdmhbqr1hfg8jsvjni0@4ax.com...
> I have uploaded a gift to the Yahoo site. It  is a bit big to upload here
(1.6
> Megs). If I have missed anything out or if there are any problems, please
let me
> know.
>
>
> Regards
>         Stephen
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] mesh xmas packs (crashes) 545ko [8217 days and 19 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:37:31 GMT

here is the guilty file.
When I open it from menu open scene, merge scene or merge object, moray
crashes.(see debug message)
If I drop and drag it on Moray, it opens.
What happens?
Marc

[Stephen McAvoy] Music Box Gift - box03a.png [8217 days and 26 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:31:12 GMT

I have uploaded a gift to the Yahoo site. It  is a bit big to upload here (1.6
Megs). If I have missed anything out or if there are any problems, please let me
know.
 

Regards
        Stephen

[Stefan Persson] Christmas tree tk 3 [8217 days and 49 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:08:24 GMT

Look in moray.beta

/Stefan

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Xmas gift boxes [8217 days 1 hour and 14 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:42:43 GMT

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:33:40 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>I made a mesh gift box packageAs in real life, I'm not an expert at wrapping
>paper around boxes :-/

That looks real good.

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Xmas gift boxes [8217 days 1 hour and 25 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:32:15 GMT

Hi
I made a mesh gift box packageAs in real life, I'm not an expert at wrapping
paper around boxes :-/
If someone has more skill at that...
Anyone has an idea for ribbons?

Marc

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Fire place V 0.1 [8217 days 3 hours and 29 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:27:37 GMT

"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f932be8@news.povray.org...
> I've attached other shot with light inside the fire place. The previous
> one didn't do justice to the seashell plugin.
>
OK!
I was wondering where Seashell was used :)
Now it's obvious.

Marc

[StephenS] Menu problem, missing (png) [8217 days 7 hours and 34 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:23:20 GMT

[Txemi Jendrix] Re: Fire place V 0.1 [8217 days 10 hours and 30 minutes ago]

Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:27:20 GMT

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> escribió en el mensaje
news:3f92c8fb$1@news.povray.org...
> Very good modeling :)

Thank you Marc.

> I'd see a lighter color, though, I feel this one a little too yellowish.

Right now the textures are provisional. I've been focused on
modelling, but I wanted to know the group opinion before continue.

I've attached other shot with light inside the fire place. The previous
one didn't do justice to the seashell plugin.

> Marc

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Stefan Persson] Re: Another Ornament [8217 days 14 hours and 14 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:42:26 GMT

Yes, I thought of that too.
I suppose it depends on what we want to focus on.

Let's concentrate on the "tree corner" and finish that
first. Then we'll know if we need more objects in the room.
Ok, everyone?

I'm currently updating the scene with new objects.
I fitted those uploaded and some of mine. I borrowed
the "French windows" from the objects on the Moray site too.
Just to see what that does to the "window wall".


/Stefan


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f92def0@news.povray.org...
> I was thinking of a child point of view, a camera at z 100 or less
> Marc
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 3f92d171@news.povray.org...
> > Thanks,
> > I was thinking, maybe we should move the tree more into the foreground,
or
> > we won't be able to make out the details on any of the ornaments.
> > Steve
> > "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
> > news:3f92cd01$1@news.povray.org...
> > > Cool, but if the tree is in the far corner of the room, we won't see
it
> > very
> > > well.
> > > I'd suggest less diffuse for the texture
> > > Marc
> > > "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > > 3f92aa58@news.povray.org...
> > > > How about some of these on the tree?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] [tribute] Carpet [8217 days 14 hours and 36 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:20:42 GMT

May be a carpet (height_field+image_map) on a wooden floor in the tribute
room?

Marc

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Another Ornament [8217 days 15 hours and 58 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:58:56 GMT

I was thinking of a child point of view, a camera at z 100 or less
Marc
"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f92d171@news.povray.org...
> Thanks,
> I was thinking, maybe we should move the tree more into the foreground, or
> we won't be able to make out the details on any of the ornaments.
> Steve
> "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
> news:3f92cd01$1@news.povray.org...
> > Cool, but if the tree is in the far corner of the room, we won't see it
> very
> > well.
> > I'd suggest less diffuse for the texture
> > Marc
> > "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > 3f92aa58@news.povray.org...
> > > How about some of these on the tree?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Another Ornament [8217 days 16 hours and 11 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:45:45 GMT

I agree!
Marc
"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f92d171@news.povray.org...
> Thanks,
> I was thinking, maybe we should move the tree more into the foreground, or
> we won't be able to make out the details on any of the ornaments.

[Steve Shelby] Re: Another Ornament [8217 days 16 hours and 56 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:01:21 GMT

Thanks,
I was thinking, maybe we should move the tree more into the foreground, or
we won't be able to make out the details on any of the ornaments.
Steve
"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f92cd01$1@news.povray.org...
> Cool, but if the tree is in the far corner of the room, we won't see it
very
> well.
> I'd suggest less diffuse for the texture
> Marc
> "Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 3f92aa58@news.povray.org...
> > How about some of these on the tree?
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Another Ornament [8217 days 17 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:42:25 GMT

Cool, but if the tree is in the far corner of the room, we won't see it very
well.
I'd suggest less diffuse for the texture
Marc
"Steve Shelby" <ssh### [at] rexnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f92aa58@news.povray.org...
> How about some of these on the tree?
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Fire place V 0.1 [8217 days 17 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:25:15 GMT

"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f92b7e3@news.povray.org...

Very good modeling :)
I'd see a lighter color, though, I feel this one a little too yellowish.

Marc

[Txemi Jendrix] Fire place V 0.1 [8217 days 18 hours and 45 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:12:19 GMT

Hi all:
I've just finished the 1st version of the fire place.
Still it doesn't have fire nor wood, but I think that the fire
will depend on lightning, so I left for the future.

The fire place is basically an exercise on CSG.
Apart from primitives, it also uses blobs, transitional and
rotational sweeps, plugin objects (round cube and seashell plugin
are required).

It also has 2 meshes, for the bars (I don´t know their names).

The fire place is located in the place assigned in the room file
and adjusted in scale.

If someone has comments or suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

I will upload the object later.

Bye.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Steve Shelby] Another Ornament [8217 days 19 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:14:32 GMT

How about some of these on the tree?

[Steve Shelby] Signature ornaments and hooks [8217 days 22 hours and 46 minutes ago]

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:10:40 GMT

See explanation in moray.beta

[Stefan Persson] Christmas tree take 2 [8219 days 14 hours and 8 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:48:40 GMT

I've integrated the tree and the ornaments.
I put some textures on the walls too.

/Stefan

[Marc Jacquier] Re: [Tribute]Xmas Candles an garlans [8219 days 14 hours and 14 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:42:52 GMT

Here is the image
Marc

[Marc Jacquier] [Tribute]Xmas Candles an garlans [8219 days 14 hours and 57 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:00:23 GMT

Here I am, some modifications to my blob twisted candles
Added garlands made with links plugin
I'll post image as soon as it is rendered :)
Marc

[Txemi Jendrix] Xmas Balls [305 + 72 Kb] for Moray Tribute [8219 days 16 hours and 14 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:42:53 GMT

Hi, I've just finished cleaning the scene, so now you have a
Noel Ball and a Xmas Ball duplicated 6 times, each one with
one color.
Use and modify them in the way you like.
These are free objects.

I'll try once again to upload the file to Yahoo groups as soon
as possible.
Bye

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Txemi Jendrix] Re: Xmas candles new version [8219 days 20 hours and 35 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:22:22 GMT

Good work with the candles, look much better now.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: UDO, Group and No matching } in 'material', ... [8219 days 21 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:05:23 GMT

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:44:18 -0400, "StephenS" <ssh### [at] echelonca> wrote:

>Found it :-)

Good grief, how thick can a person be? The original texture I was using was
called "White" I changed it to "white" and it worked. I must be more careful
with names. I thought that capitalising the name would make it safe. The other
thing was I forgot that I changed some settings in PoseRay and it added #include
"colors.inc" to the mat file.
Well spotted Stephen and thanks. 

Regards
        Stephen

[StephenS] Re: UDO, Group and No matching } in 'material', ... [8219 days 23 hours and 13 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:44:16 GMT

...
> >Pov-Ray is looking for "Suit2a_moray_mat.inc"
> Opps late at night:-} Find attached Suit2a_moray_mat.inc zipped.
...
Found it :-)
Change the name of the material in Moray to something other than
Brass_Texture. This is a name of a 'texture' included with Pov-Ray in
texture.inc, and is included from 'Suit2a_moray_mat.inc'. Since the UDO is
allways listed after your material declarations, the name is overwritten
with the 'texture' in texture.inc. :-)

Stephen

[Steve Shelby] Re: Xmas candles new version [8219 days 23 hours and 15 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:41:42 GMT

Excellent! :~^}>
Steve Shelby

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f8fb899@news.povray.org...
> I improved flames medias and added a halo.
> lights are points, not area to not slow down render time.
> Candlesticks are blackholes for the render: when a rendering line gets
into
> one, it takes forever to get out
>
> Marc
>
>
>

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Xmas candles new version [8220 days and 30 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:26:50 GMT

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:15:46 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:


>Slainte

Slainte Mhor 

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Xmas candles new version [8220 days and 43 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:14:18 GMT

"Stephen McAvoy" <McA### [at] aolcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
ddfvov04pipvr5r500d24nvspqee08jotc@4ax.com...
> That looks better, not that the original was wanting.

Oh yes it was: the flame was weak

Slainte
Marc

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Xmas candles new version [8220 days and 44 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:13:12 GMT

Oh dear, I'm sorry but it is a mere sphere with an emitting media.
I tried to make candles with seashell pluggin but lol it seems it is not the
use it is for, so I drew back to pov SDL called by a UDO.
sometimes it is faster to build oneself object than to understand how a
plugin works :) but it is "partie remise" ;-)

Marc
"leseur sylvain" <syl### [at] potar-hurlantcom> a écrit dans le message de
news: 3f8fbb1b$2@news.povray.org...
> Do you use "Glow.lua" for the...... heu...Glow effect ?
> Please say   Yes !
> Friendly
> Sylvain
> If some interest,  i have a candles.lua file.
>
>

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: Xmas candles new version [8220 days and 57 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:00:21 GMT

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:39:56 +0200, "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:

>I improved flames medias and added a halo.

That looks better, not that the original was wanting. 

Regards
        Stephen

[leseur sylvain] Re: Xmas candles new version [8220 days 1 hour and 8 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:49:15 GMT

Do you use "Glow.lua" for the...... heu...Glow effect ?
Please say   Yes !
Friendly
Sylvain
If some interest,  i have a candles.lua file.

[Marc Jacquier] Xmas candles new version [8220 days 1 hour and 18 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:38:33 GMT

I improved flames medias and added a halo.
lights are points, not area to not slow down render time.
Candlesticks are blackholes for the render: when a rendering line gets into
one, it takes forever to get out

Marc

[Stephen McAvoy] Re: UDO, Group and No matching } in 'material', ... [8220 days 3 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:45:19 GMT

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:55:54 -0400, "StephenS" <ssh### [at] echelonca> wrote:

>
>Your zip file seems to be missing a file.
>Pov-Ray is looking for "Suit2a_moray_mat.inc"
Opps late at night:-} Find attached Suit2a_moray_mat.inc zipped. 

>One thing to lookout for is 'spaces' in material names. Moray changes names
>in it's texture editor from ( ) 'space' to (_) 'underline'. Check the names
>in the "Suit2a_moray_mat.inc" since these are created outside of Moray.

This is a simple mat file as you will see. Thanks for looking at it.

Regards
        Stephen

[StephenS] Re: UDO, Group and No matching } in 'material', ... [8220 days 11 hours and 1 minute ago]

Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:55:49 GMT

> I have uploaded a minimal scene to m.b called UdoProblem3.zip It has a
mdl, a
> UDO and an inc file(s).

Your zip file seems to be missing a file.
Pov-Ray is looking for "Suit2a_moray_mat.inc"

One thing to lookout for is 'spaces' in material names. Moray changes names
in it's texture editor from ( ) 'space' to (_) 'underline'. Check the names
in the "Suit2a_moray_mat.inc" since these are created outside of Moray.

Stephen

[Stephen McAvoy] UDO, Group and No matching } in 'material', Erro... [8220 days 11 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:30:00 GMT

Phew! Sorry about this.
I have uploaded a minimal scene to m.b called UdoProblem3.zip It has a mdl, a
UDO and an inc file(s).
The problem is this.
When I put an object with a normal texture in a group with a UDO (doesn't mater
if it's generated with PoseRay or 3DWin) I get the dreaded "Parse Error: No
matching } in 'material', texture identifier found instead" 
I've tried calling the texture mesh2 (It's after midnight just now) to no avail.
The scene renders fine if I take either the UDO or the object out of the group,
or if I clear the texture from the object.
I included a mesh in the group for testing but it is not required andI tested it
in the final release. Could someone confirm this

Regards
        Stephen

[Marc Jacquier] Xmas candles [8220 days 15 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:23:30 GMT

Here are candles made with a blob loop include called by an UDO object so
one can scale and translate it easily in Moray.
I'm not proud of the flames though, I have to work on them.
Comments and advices welcome

Marc

[Steve Shelby] Christmas Tree Attempt #2 [8220 days 20 hours and 41 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:15:54 GMT

I fiddled with the textures a little. Better? Worse? I think it need more
branching, so it would be more "filled in".
Steve Shelby

[Steve Shelby] Christmas Tree attempt #1 [8221 days 9 hours and 36 minutes ago]

Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:21:24 GMT

How's this look? I made it entirely with Moray's mesh editor, no plugins or
macros, etc. It's all one mesh object, so it can be scaled to any size. I
know the trunk is green, but would that show with lots of ornaments on the
tree? If it has to be brown, maybe that can be done with UV mapping? I can
make one with more branching, but there also has to be room for ornaments
between the branches. I know it doesn't look like a *real* tree, but we
wouldn't have to worry about cleaning up needles off the floor. ;~^}>
Steve Shelby

[leseur sylvain] Glowc.lua [8244 days 17 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:15:16 GMT

Here is a plugin into Lua language.
Meanwhile Keith Hull's plugin.
Try it and have fun.
Friendly
Sylvain
Comments  welcome

[leseur sylvain] [8251 days 5 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:25:06 GMT

Really sorry for this error. This zip contains a Goldfifh
made of mesh2, create by GadMan with Moray 3.5.
Friendly
Sylvain

[Txemi Jendrix] RE: Bicubic patch to mesh revisited [8254 days 16 hours and 1 minute ago]

Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:55:44 GMT

Thomas de Groot <t.d### [at] internlnet> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
3f61b5d1@news.povray.org...
> This is the mdl file with Anto Mankovic's boat. One of the paddles is
> converted to mesh. See thread with same name in Moray.beta

Here it is the mdl file and the image of the scene:

Top: Original mesh (without weld points)
Middle: Mesh with weld points (threshold 0.1)
Bottom: Mesh with weld points (threshold 0.0009). Sudivided by a factor of 2

Bye.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Thomas de Groot] Bicubic patch to mesh revisited [8254 days 22 hours and 55 minutes ago]

Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:02:25 GMT

This is the mdl file with Anto Mankovic's boat. One of the paddles is
converted to mesh. See thread with same name in Moray.beta

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Question(wine material) [8255 days 4 hours and 8 minutes ago]

Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:49:09 GMT

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:3f60f36f$1@news.povray.org...

> Château Haut-Brion 1976  ;-p
> No, seriousely I hope it looks like a good matured Bordeaux

Right! I think you managed to do it, because that was my first thought when
I saw the picture! Excellent!
I suppose that Lutz now should include a whole new facility in Moray so that
we can taste it too!
>
> Cheers
> Tot Ziens  >> Insgelijks  (see what you make of that!)
> Marc
>
Thomas

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Question(wine material) [8255 days 12 hours and 44 minutes ago]

Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:13:03 GMT

"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f6077c5@news.povray.org...
> Excellent vintage, Marc!!
Thanks :)
> Only radiosity is best, I think.
I agree or maybe speculars are too strong in lighted version.
> Looks like a Bordeaux to me... A Languedoc maybe? What do you call it?
Château Haut-Brion 1976  ;-p
No, seriousely I hope it looks like a good matured Bordeaux


Cheers
Tot Ziens
Marc

[Txemi Jendrix] Povpill (mdl and jpgs files 85.1 Kb) [8255 days 13 hours and 18 minutes ago]

Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:38:56 GMT

Hi all.
As I posted this in povray format in p.b.s-f. I've
thought I should post it here aswell but in moray
format.
Hope you like it.
Bye.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Thomas de Groot] Re: Question(wine material) [8255 days 21 hours and 32 minutes ago]

Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:25:25 GMT

Excellent vintage, Marc!!
Only radiosity is best, I think.
Looks like a Bordeaux to me... A Languedoc maybe? What do you call it?

Thomas


"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht
news:3f5cbcd4@news.povray.org...
> I had a try at that. see attached  .mdl file
> it is with interior and fade_color but fade_color seems ti behave
> differently with radiosity or/and lights, so I tweaked several materials
for
> each purpose.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>

[Stefan Persson] [8257 days 16 hours and 3 minutes ago]

Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:54:18 GMT

You should write in english what the post is all about.
The larger part of us don't speak frensh.. ;)
At first it looked like spam to me, but I had a look anyway.


/Stefan

"Gadman" <joz### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f5dfc9b$1@news.povray.org...
>
http://moray.free.fr/MTFS_V3_5/interface_V3_5/downloads/binaries/bubulle.zip
>
> @+
> Gadman
> http://poissonrouge.fr.st
> The Bubulle Red
> Le site sur les Poissons Rouges: Forum, Chat, Humour...
> http://terraquamonstres.free.fr/
> Le forum communautaire où vous trouverez une réponse à toutes vos
questions
> sur les poissons
> http://moray.free.fr
> Moray The French Site (M.T.F.S.)
> Le site en Français sur Moray, LE modeleur de Pov-Ray (en construction)
> news://news.zoo-logique.org/3D.Moray
> Les news sur Moray
> news://news.zoo-logique.org/3D.Pov-Ray
> Les news sur Pov-Ray
>
>

[Stefan Persson] Re: Question(wine material) [8257 days 16 hours and 53 minutes ago]

Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:03:35 GMT

Thnx alot, dude :)

/Stefan

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f5cbcd4@news.povray.org...
> I had a try at that. see attached  .mdl file
> it is with interior and fade_color but fade_color seems ti behave
> differently with radiosity or/and lights, so I tweaked several materials
for
> each purpose.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>

[Gadman] [8257 days 17 hours and 20 minutes ago]

Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:37:16 GMT

look at:
http://povwip.tuxfamily.org/img/bubulle.png20030909072949.png
@+
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Moray The French Site (M.T.F.S.)
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news://news.zoo-logique.org/3D.Moray
Les news sur Moray
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[Gadman] [8257 days 18 hours and 33 minutes ago]

Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:24:08 GMT

for Moray 3.5 ....

@+
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sur les poissons
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Moray The French Site (M.T.F.S.)
Le site en Français sur Moray, LE modeleur de Pov-Ray (en construction)
news://news.zoo-logique.org/3D.Moray
Les news sur Moray
news://news.zoo-logique.org/3D.Pov-Ray
Les news sur Pov-Ray
"Gadman" <joz### [at] wanadoofr> a écrit dans le message news:
3f5dfc9b$1@news.povray.org...
>
http://moray.free.fr/MTFS_V3_5/interface_V3_5/downloads/binaries/bubulle.zip
>
> @+
> Gadman
> http://poissonrouge.fr.st
> The Bubulle Red
> Le site sur les Poissons Rouges: Forum, Chat, Humour...
> http://terraquamonstres.free.fr/
> Le forum communautaire où vous trouverez une réponse à toutes vos
questions
> sur les poissons
> http://moray.free.fr
> Moray The French Site (M.T.F.S.)
> Le site en Français sur Moray, LE modeleur de Pov-Ray (en construction)
> news://news.zoo-logique.org/3D.Moray
> Les news sur Moray
> news://news.zoo-logique.org/3D.Pov-Ray
> Les news sur Pov-Ray
>
>

[Gadman] [8257 days 18 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:15:23 GMT

http://moray.free.fr/MTFS_V3_5/interface_V3_5/downloads/binaries/bubulle.zip

@+
Gadman
http://poissonrouge.fr.st
The Bubulle Red
Le site sur les Poissons Rouges: Forum, Chat, Humour...
http://terraquamonstres.free.fr/
Le forum communautaire où vous trouverez une réponse à toutes vos
questions
sur les poissons
http://moray.free.fr
Moray The French Site (M.T.F.S.)
Le site en Français sur Moray, LE modeleur de Pov-Ray (en construction)
news://news.zoo-logique.org/3D.Moray
Les news sur Moray
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[Marc Jacquier] Re: Question(wine material) [8258 days 16 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:39:44 GMT

errr the 1st image is with 2 spot_lights and the 2nd with radiosity only

Marc

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> a écrit dans le message de news:
3f5cbcd4@news.povray.org...
> I had a try at that. see attached  .mdl file
> it is with interior and fade_color but fade_color seems ti behave
> differently with radiosity or/and lights, so I tweaked several materials
for
> each purpose.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>

[Marc Jacquier] Re: Question(wine material) [8258 days 17 hours and 26 minutes ago]

Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:31:00 GMT

I had a try at that. see attached  .mdl file
it is with interior and fade_color but fade_color seems ti behave
differently with radiosity or/and lights, so I tweaked several materials for
each purpose.

Marc

[Stefan Persson] Re: Question [8260 days 16 hours and 47 minutes ago]

Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:09:47 GMT

Hehe. thnx :)

"Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f58a01e$1@news.povray.org...
> >>I don't drink wine myself so sould someone please help me with this?
>
> Start slowy, one glass at a time, french wine, Burgundy if possible, don't
> drink Red and White the same evening (for a new-bye)
>
> Hope This Help ;-)
>
> pgb
>
>

[Philippe Gibone] Re: Question [8261 days 20 hours and 17 minutes ago]

Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:39:26 GMT

>>I don't drink wine myself so sould someone please help me with this?

Start slowy, one glass at a time, french wine, Burgundy if possible, don't
drink Red and White the same evening (for a new-bye)

Hope This Help ;-)

pgb

[Stefan Persson] Question [8261 days 22 hours and 48 minutes ago]

Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:08:30 GMT

Do someone have a mtx with a good setting for wine?
IOR, media and other stuff.. I don't drink wine myself
so sould someone please help me with this?

/Stefan

[Steve Shelby] Re: Problem with parsing mesh subdivision surface [8263 days 22 hours and 53 minutes ago]

Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:04:03 GMT

See moray.beta, same subject.

[Gadman] Re: Bicubic patches to mesh? [48.7 Kb] [8310 days and 11 minutes ago]

Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:46:10 GMT

Thank you  ;-)

--
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[Thomas de Groot] Re: Media problems: an example [8318 days 1 hour and 53 minutes ago]

Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:03:30 GMT

See the thread Media problems in moray.win

Thomas

[Thomas de Groot] Media problems: solution [8318 days 3 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:35:19 GMT

In answer to ran102, a tutorial for the use of media, is attache here (see
moray.win)

Thomas

[Txemi Jendrix] RE: Bicubic patches to mesh? [48.7 Kb] [8320 days 18 hours and 13 minutes ago]

Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:44:15 GMT

Gadman escribió en el mensaje de noticias 3f0ac738$1@news.povray.org...
> hello
> look at this image...
> http://moray.free.fr/images/lamborgini_test_udo_mesh.png
> same problem

As Lutz pointed out in m.w. the solution is:

"To rectify this, go to the mesh editor, switch to Point mode
(key 'P'), select all the points (key 'A') and then select Weld
in the Points menu on the Edit Tab. The threshhold should be
pretty small, and you shouldn't see any yellow lines on the
display. The number of vertices before and after
welding that are displayed in the dialog should also be different....
then click on OK and see if that fixes the subdivision problem."

It worked for me.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Gadman] Re: Bicubic patches to mesh? [48.7 Kb] [8320 days 21 hours and 27 minutes ago]

Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:29:28 GMT

"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> a écrit dans le message news:
3f076401@news.povray.org...
> This is the image for the same thread in moray.beta
> From left to right.
> 1st tower is an sPatch object exported to .mdl using Lutz's plugin
> It's a bunch of bicubic patches.
> 2nd tower is the 1st one converted to mesh and exported with a
> subdivision level of 0.
> 3rd tower is same as the 2nd one exported with a subdivision level
> of 1 (it's the same if you set it higher)
> As you can see, the mesh crashes.
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
hello
look at this image...
http://moray.free.fr/images/lamborgini_test_udo_mesh.png
same problem

goodbye
Gadman
http://poissonrouge.fr.st
The Bubulle Red
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sur les poissons
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Moray The French Site (M.T.F.S.)
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Les news sur Moray
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[Tim Cook] Materials update [8320 days 21 hours and 56 minutes ago]

Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:00:46 GMT

Updated haze, now direct code, uses media sampling method 3, is a lot
quicker and looks much nicer.

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[SYLVAIN LESEUR] SeaShell [8323 days 2 hours and 22 minutes ago]

Sun, 6 Jul 2003 08:35:14 GMT

2 Pictures with SeaShell.Lua (Author P. Gibone)
Sylvain

[Txemi Jendrix] Bicubic patches to mesh? [48.7 Kb] [8323 days 11 hours and 8 minutes ago]

Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:49:21 GMT

This is the image for the same thread in moray.beta
From left to right.
1st tower is an sPatch object exported to .mdl using Lutz's plugin
It's a bunch of bicubic patches.
2nd tower is the 1st one converted to mesh and exported with a
subdivision level of 0.
3rd tower is same as the 2nd one exported with a subdivision level
of 1 (it's the same if you set it higher)
As you can see, the mesh crashes.

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

[Tim Cook] view clipping feature request [8327 days 21 hours and 12 minutes ago]

Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:45:24 GMT

would be incredibly helpful if there were an option to have the view
clipping settings displayed in some way (as in image) and to be able
to click-drag the extents of the clipping in the view panes (as in
image)

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GFA dpu- s: a?-- C++(++++) U P? L E--- W++(+++)>$
N++ o? K- w(+) O? M-(--) V? PS+(+++) PE(--) Y(--)
PGP-(--) t* 5++>+++++ X+ R* tv+ b++(+++) DI
D++(---) G(++) e*>++ h+ !r--- !y--
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[Gadman] Re: SeaShell Plugin (Lua source) [8330 days 17 hours and 52 minutes ago]

Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:05:06 GMT

"Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> a écrit dans le message news:
3efda87b@news.povray.org...
> > Manque plus qu'une doc en Anglois et en Français ;-)
> I'll do it, but I still have some enhancements in mind that I'd like to
> code.
Okayyyyy! (vive le traducteur de Google)
No problems ;-)

> > C'est possible de le mettre sur mon site dans la rubrique plugins?
> Oeuf Corse !
>
> pgb
>

à pluche
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[Philippe Gibone] Re: SeaShell Plugin (Lua source) [8330 days 20 hours and 18 minutes ago]

Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:38:51 GMT

> Manque plus qu'une doc en Anglois et en Français ;-)
I'll do it, but I still have some enhancements in mind that I'd like to
code.

> C'est possible de le mettre sur mon site dans la rubrique plugins?
Oeuf Corse !

pgb

[Gadman] Re: SeaShell Plugin (Lua source) [8330 days 21 hours and 49 minutes ago]

Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:07:36 GMT

Salut Philippe
Manque plus qu'une doc en Anglois et en Français ;-)
C'est possible de le mettre sur mon site dans la rubrique plugins?
@+
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http://terraquamonstres.free.fr/
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sur les poissons
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Moray The French Site (M.T.F.S.)
Le site en Français sur Moray, LE modeleur de Pov-Ray (en construction)
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Les news sur Moray
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"Philippe_Gibone" <Ph.### [at] wanadoofr> a écrit dans le message news:
3efd7832@news.povray.org...
> Just copy in your Moray/plugin directory (you MUST have the FullMoon.dll
> installed)
> see moray.win
>
> pgb
>
>
>

[Philippe Gibone] SeaShell Samples 3/3 [8330 days 23 hours and 42 minutes ago]

Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:14:31 GMT

[Philippe Gibone] SeaShell samples 2/3 [8330 days 23 hours and 43 minutes ago]

Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:14:10 GMT