On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:56:35 -0500, Christoph Hormann quoth:
> I don't really see the advantage - what would you gain by having for
> example all the mac specific files on a unix machine.  You can't use
> them.

I don't think you could even successfully uncompress some of the
Mac-specific files on a Unix system, and I *know* you can't successfully
unarchive them on a Windows system. 

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Mark

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Nicolas Calimet wrote:
> 
>         What should be done, IMHO:
> [...]

Just because you do not understand the reasons for the way certain things
are handled does not mean they don't make sense.  The reaon for the unix
source package containing the docs and sample scenes is *really* trivial
for example.

If the only reason for your proposal is the reduced download volume for
those few who want the source for several platforms (and this is the only
argument that has been given in this thread so far) you should drop the
subject because that's really not enough.

Christoph

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Nicolas Calimet wrote:
> 
>> As for the libraries I agree with you. They do not really belong to
>> the source code of povray. I would suggest to move them outside the
>> povray package and provide separate archives.
> 
> In principle I would agree, but in practice, for easy installations
> I would actually choose to include the supporting libraries in all
> distributions (or the unique one if everything is unified). If your system
> has better/newer libraries, you can use them. If however one or more
> library are missing, just use the one provided with the sources. In the
> unix configure file that I'm rewritting, this decision could be made
> automatically.

OK, OK, I got it. You, Thorsten and Vadim convinced me. It's easier and
more convenient to simply include the libs. They are not so large to 
justify saving some bandwidth.

Best regards
Thomas

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Okay,

	As Christoph suggested, I will not try to develop this topic
any further. The fact is that I actually don't have strong argumentation
to support the idea of a common source distro for every architectures.
This thread was not meant to convince anybody, but to talk about something
I don't think was discussed before (or maybe long ago, though I didn't
check the whole newgroup before posting).
	If some eventually believe that this discussion is just a waste
of time considering what could be done to improve the software itself,
or a waste of bandwidth in general, it's their opinion and I'll respect
it because I understand it. I guess my initial idea was that it could
be done differently, but I got somewhat convinced that it's probably
not worth for now. For my part I'll continue trying to improve the
unix-only distribution for easy compilation/installation as much as
time and knowledge allow to do.
	Let's talk again when the brand-new POV 4.0 project will be
on the board  :-)

	- NC

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:19:24 -0500, Mark Wagner
<mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:

>I don't think you could even successfully uncompress some of the
>Mac-specific files on a Unix system, and I *know* you can't successfully
>unarchive them on a Windows system. 

That may actually not be true. AFAIK, NTFS at least can store the Mac
resource fork just fine. I know WinRAR can store NTFS-specific
information within the archives, so I suppose a) that a similar
version for Mac may be able to do that, too and b) using RAR archives
may be a way to exchange data seamlessly between Windows and Macs. Not
to mention that Windows and Mac work well in a LAN.


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> > I don't really see the advantage - what would you gain by having for
> > example all the mac specific files on a unix machine.  You can't use
> > them.
> 
> I don't think you could even successfully uncompress some of the
> Mac-specific files on a Unix system, and I *know* you can't successfully
> unarchive them on a Windows system. 

yes you can... just use stuffIt!  
:)

and winrar behaves very well over unices, windowses and now mac os

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:00:25 -0500, T.J.Viking quoth:

>> > I don't really see the advantage - what would you gain by having for
>> > example all the mac specific files on a unix machine.  You can't use
>> > them.
>> 
>> I don't think you could even successfully uncompress some of the
>> Mac-specific files on a Unix system, and I *know* you can't
>> successfully unarchive them on a Windows system.
> 
> yes you can... just use stuffIt!

You kinda lose the resource fork that way.

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In article <3e63601f@news.povray.org>,
 "T.J.Viking" <vik### [at] bp-domarpl> wrote:

> > I don't think you could even successfully uncompress some of the
> > Mac-specific files on a Unix system, and I *know* you can't successfully
> > unarchive them on a Windows system. 
> 
> yes you can... just use stuffIt!  
> :)

That doesn't work. You miss the point...a complete Macintosh file can 
not exist on a Windows system. There are filesystem-specific structures 
and data that are not supported by other filesystems. Stuffit is useful 
for archiving files so they can be transported through other systems, 
but you can't successfully decompress a .sit archive without losing some 
information.
This was a silly idea in the first place, lets drop it now, OK?

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> This was a silly idea in the first place, lets drop it now, OK?

	This idea came since it would work on Win and most UNICES,
and I mentionned that I've no idea for what concerns Mac platforms,
because I _never_ used it (oh okay, once, because no choice at all).
Furthermore there is no more official distribution of anything else
than Linux, Macintosh, Unix, Windows on
ftp://ftp.povray.org/pub/povray/Official/

	Sorry I know I already closed this discussion 3 weeks ago.

	I for one won't believe that Macintosh users are silly people.
Should I ?  :-)

	- NC

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In article <3E6### [at] freefr> , Nicolas Calimet <pov### [at] freefr>
wrote:

>  I for one won't believe that Macintosh users are silly people.
> Should I ?  :-)

No, because archiving tools also use lots of Windows and Unix specific
information.  It is just that their users got used to it :-)

    Thorsten

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