From: "Eric" Subject: Twyst and twysted.net Newsgroups: povray.newusers Message-ID: <01bdddf9$5e2f5f40$24efebd0@debbiemi> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.239.36 Date: 30 Sep 1998 03:57:17 -0500 X-Trace: 30 Sep 1998 03:57:17 -0500, 208.235.239.36 Lines: 104 Path: news.povray.org!208.235.239.36 Xref: news.povray.org povray.newusers:2029 Just thought i would drop a little line about a character called Twyst. I recently in the last few months became a Pov-ray user. I enjoy the program. Also, i have been on irc chat networks for the last couple of years so i immediately went looking for a chat room for pov on irc. I found one. It is on Dalnet and it is called #povray. After spending sometime there and seeing the usual one or 2 people stopping by in the channel, i innocently made the comment in the channel one day that the channel was being lame. I never knew what a kettle that stirred up. One of the ops, Twyst, decided that he didn't like that comment and chose to ban me from the channel for such a minor infraction. In truth, no one ever talked about Pov-ray which was the whole reason i had gone there to begin with. So, the channel WAS being lame for never discussing Pov. I got quite upset over being banned, ill admit. Even went as far as to repeat a certain curse word in private message to Twyst, for I could NOT understand what kind of ego would have someone banning one of the FEW constant supporters of the channel. The next thing i knew, my computer froze up and i had to reboot. But not before a little program called Nuke Nabber told me that Twyst was nuking me. For anyone that doesn't know, Windows 95 has a few small problems with it's internet protocols. I can't really explain it but, it's illegal and can be very damaging. You can learn more about it at http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/nuke/ . When i tried to reboot my computer, scandisk ran because Windows had not been properly shut down. Scandisk found big time problems with my hard drive because of the Windows crash. After Scandisk finished trying to repair everything, Windows would no longer run. I lost everything on my hard drive, had to reformat and reinstall everything. Now, let me explain to you that nuking is illegal and totally uncalled for under any circumstances. I learned this week that Twyst has come on board www.povray.org as the "assistant webmaster". I can't understand why an organization like Pov-ray would want to be linked to a criminal like Twyst. Perhaps they enjoy him trying to take the spotlight away from the Pov organization and putting it on himself with such antics as releasing the new Pov-ray release on HIS web page before the proper release date. Or turning supposed Pov-ray channels on irc into his own PERSONAL playgrounds where he can play God. If a person like this is allowed to be part of the Pov-ray organization, what does that say about the organization itself? In Twyst's twysted world, free speech does not reign, only his twysted sense of himself as God of Pov. Pov is about all of us that use it, not about one individual. Do you want to use a program that's associated with criminals, yes, criminals (once again, nuke attacks are illegal and the incident was quite painful for me, because of damage done to my pc), like Twyst? As of recently, i have once again been "allowed" back into the #povray channels on Dalnet. After learning of the Internet Movie Project, I began working with another #povray channel regular named Restil on trying to complete the first "test" run laid out by the scripting team. That animation has been completed and has only to be encoded into a player, now, which is a huge step for Pov-ray and for the Internet Movie Project team. I am sure that more will be forth coming from Restil about this to the IMP. I am responsible only for the sun texture and the programming of the lens flare, using the lens flare include, produced by Chris Colefax. And in some small part for making the topic an active one in the minds of channel regulars. Tonight, while i was trying to help some of the new users to "our" channel, Twyst in normal fashion, was interrupting the conversation with lines from his Mirc script. Only a month ago, i had been told not to do this and had complied readily. When i asked Twyst why he could do it and no one else, he replied that he was an OP. He could do what he pleased as rank came with priviledge. I'm sorry, but my temperament won't let me live with such provincial attitudes as this, in a forum that should be free speech. I really had not so much problem with Twyst's script "tests" as the fact that 1. I had been scolded for this. 2. It had nothing to do with Pov-ray, the topic for our channel. There were new people, people that we should cradle in our arms and say Welcome to our channel, welcome to the world of Pov-ray, what can we do to help get you started. But, in honesty, this is the constant curse we must endure. I have started a new channel on Dalnet, Undernet, Newnet and Efnet called #povray2. If you would like to REALLY discuss Pov-ray or problems you are having with it, or would like to REALLY get an Internet Movie Project going, come, you will be welcome. As for me, i will have no more dealings with the #povray channels, or twysted.net as long as they are run by criminals like Twyst. Out, Eric