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From: Mr
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 9 Sep 2022 06:30:00
Message: <web.631b13e292dcb102302c76946830a892@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> This is the first of three instalments under the general title "the
> Shallows". The second instalment still needs a final render after some
> more tinkering. The third one has not yet been started. Render time was
> particularly long: I estimate about some 48 hours in total. I always
> render in sections divided over several render sessions and this time
> the complete process took several weeks. Slowest was the middle section
> (the background) and fastest was the sky. Render speed was more often
> expressed in ppm than in pps.
>
> There are several media: part of the clouds over the Giant; the water;
> the background trees; the slightly hazy atmosphere.
>
> Inspiration came from two sources: https://silenceofthetides.com and a
> reference to Francisco Goya's painting "The Giant".
>
> Objects from Friedrich Lohmueller were gratefully used: the railway
> tracks and wheels, and the houses on the background.
>
> Thomas

Hi !
Everything is great about this : composition, idea, ...

But, of course I have to say I believe something would tremendously improve it:
light at a lower angled suntime like early morning or late afternoon along with
a slightly denser absorbing media for the general cirrus like cloud layer... No
matter if render times dropped from 1 day to seven, this would still be worth
it. To me, you have a scene with the same potential as these ones :
https://www.povray.org/community/hof/14b.php
http://www.povray.org/community/hof/view/7/

So please, please, consider the loss it would have been if authors had lowered
the bar on media... :-) awesome work!


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 9 Sep 2022 07:34:26
Message: <631b24c2$1@news.povray.org>
Op 9-9-2022 om 09:41 schreef ingo:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> This is the first of three instalments under the general title "the
>> Shallows".
> 
> Nice!
> 
> I thought green men where little?
> 

Ha! That is what they want us to believe!

-- 
Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 9 Sep 2022 07:56:21
Message: <631b29e5$1@news.povray.org>
Op 9-9-2022 om 12:25 schreef Mr:
> 
> Hi !
> Everything is great about this : composition, idea, ...
>  
But... ;-)

> But, of course I have to say I believe something would tremendously improve it:
> light at a lower angled suntime like early morning or late afternoon along with
> a slightly denser absorbing media for the general cirrus like cloud layer... No
> matter if render times dropped from 1 day to seven, this would still be worth
> it. To me, you have a scene with the same potential as these ones :
> https://www.povray.org/community/hof/14b.php
> http://www.povray.org/community/hof/view/7/
> 
Comments much appreciated indeed. Thanks! First of all, the general 
cloudscape is not a media. It is Zeger Knaepen's FastClouds macro which 
I like and use a lot. Only at the right-hand side of the scene, there is 
a media cloud layer added and you hardly distinguish it from the rest. I 
agree about the Sun's altitude but in the end I opted for a higher one. 
Instalment 2 (and maybe 3) might/will probably follow your suggestion, 
but I am not sure about that yet.

> So please, please, consider the loss it would have been if authors had lowered
> the bar on media... :-) awesome work!
> 
Lol. Of course!

-- 
Thomas


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 9 Sep 2022 08:15:19
Message: <631b2e57$1@news.povray.org>
Il 09/09/2022 13:34, Thomas de Groot ha scritto:

I like a lot the giant!

Paolo


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From: Alain Martel
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 9 Sep 2022 10:42:51
Message: <631b50eb$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2022-09-09 à 08:15, Paolo Gibellini a écrit :
> Il 09/09/2022 13:34, Thomas de Groot ha scritto:
> 
> I like a lot the giant!
> 
> Paolo
> 

His not a giant. That's a small autonomous service cart.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 9 Sep 2022 10:53:09
Message: <631b5355$1@news.povray.org>
Op 9-9-2022 om 16:42 schreef Alain Martel:
> Le 2022-09-09 à 08:15, Paolo Gibellini a écrit :
>> Il 09/09/2022 13:34, Thomas de Groot ha scritto:
>>
>> I like a lot the giant!
>>
>> Paolo
>>
> 
> His not a giant. That's a small autonomous service cart.

It much depends on what general perspective you consider the scene. :-)

-- 
Thomas


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From: jr
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 9 Sep 2022 13:00:00
Message: <web.631b705d92dcb102ecf5a77b6cde94f1@news.povray.org>
hi,

Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 9-9-2022 om 12:25 schreef Mr:
> > Everything is great about this : composition, idea, ...

late to the party, sorry.  agree, the idea, the arrangement, I have nothing to
add but my admiration.


> But... ;-) ...
> Comments much appreciated indeed. ...

maybe it is only the perspective but the plants to the left of the track look
more like a planted crop than "wilderness", intended?


regards, jr.


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 9 Sep 2022 13:21:59
Message: <631b7637$1@news.povray.org>
Am 08.09.2022 um 15:26 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> This is the first of three instalments under the general title "the 
> Shallows". The second instalment still needs a final render after some 
> more tinkering. The third one has not yet been started. Render time was 
> particularly long: I estimate about some 48 hours in total. I always 
> render in sections divided over several render sessions and this time 
> the complete process took several weeks. Slowest was the middle section 
> (the background) and fastest was the sky. Render speed was more often 
> expressed in ppm than in pps.
> 
> There are several media: part of the clouds over the Giant; the water; 
> the background trees; the slightly hazy atmosphere.
> 
> Inspiration came from two sources: https://silenceofthetides.com and a 
> reference to Francisco Goya's painting "The Giant".
> 
> Objects from Friedrich Lohmueller were gratefully used: the railway 
> tracks and wheels, and the houses on the background.
> 
> Thomas
Very nice image, but a horror to everyone concerned with occupational 
safety;)

Best regards,
Michael


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 10 Sep 2022 02:18:16
Message: <631c2c28$1@news.povray.org>
Op 09/09/2022 om 18:57 schreef jr:
> hi,
> 
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 9-9-2022 om 12:25 schreef Mr:
>>> Everything is great about this : composition, idea, ...
> 
> late to the party, sorry.  agree, the idea, the arrangement, I have nothing to
> add but my admiration.
> 

Thank you indeed. :-)

> 
>> But... ;-) ...
>> Comments much appreciated indeed. ...
> 
> maybe it is only the perspective but the plants to the left of the track look
> more like a planted crop than "wilderness", intended?
> 

Well, no. They are the same rushes at any rate and they are planted 
randomly like the others. Maybe the perspective suggests this to you?

-- 
Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: The Shallows - Instalment 1/3
Date: 10 Sep 2022 02:25:47
Message: <631c2deb$1@news.povray.org>
Op 09/09/2022 om 19:21 schreef MichaelJF:
> Very nice image, but a horror to everyone concerned with occupational 
> safety;)
> 

Oh dear! Am I in trouble? ;-)  Anyway, that guy does what he wants to 
do. I have never been able to control him. I think that his original 
model (on the site) has more sense.

-- 
Thomas


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