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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 11 Nov 2007 21:09:45
Message: <4737b5e9@news.povray.org>
root@fawn:/home/greg2/povtemp/megapov-1.2.1# ./install

MegaPOV 1.2.1 (Linux/x86) installation
============================================

There is no official POV-Ray 3.6 installed on this computer.
An installed POV-Ray 3.6 is required for MegaPOV 1.2.1
to work.  You can get it from http://www.povray.org/

root@fawn:/home/greg2/povtemp/megapov-1.2.1# povray
povray: cannot open the user configuration
file /root/.povray/3.6/povray.conf: No such file or directory
Persistence of Vision(tm) Ray Tracer Version 3.6.1 (Debian 
(i486-linux-gnu-g++
 4.1.2 @ i486-pc-linux-gnu))
This is an unofficial version compiled by:
 Clément Stenac <zorglub at debian dot org> for Debian <www.debian.org>
 The POV-Ray Team(tm) is not responsible for supporting this version.
POV-Ray is based on DKBTrace 2.12 by David K. Buck & Aaron A. Collins
Copyright 1991-2003 Persistence of Vision Team
Copyright 2003-2004 Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd.


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 11 Nov 2007 21:12:58
Message: <4737b6aa@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson wrote:

> There is no official POV-Ray 3.6 installed on this computer.

Okay, I guess I"m using the ubuntu repository version rather than the one
from the povray site.  It is much more advisable to get it with a package
installer than to roll your own, unless you know what you're doing.  After
several years of linux tinkering, I still don't.


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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 12 Nov 2007 03:27:16
Message: <47380e64$1@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> 
>> There is no official POV-Ray 3.6 installed on this computer.
> 
> Okay, I guess I"m using the ubuntu repository version rather than the one
> from the povray site.  It is much more advisable to get it with a package
> installer than to roll your own, unless you know what you're doing.  After
> several years of linux tinkering, I still don't.
> 

Greg, it's not that difficult nor dangerous to compile your own executable, 
at least with POV-Ray. I do it for all my computers since version 3.5. In 
fact I think that I never downloaded the binaries for 3.6, just the sources.

Casually, I just changed from Fedora Core 6 to Ubuntu 7.10, and I just 
restored /usr/local/src/povray-3.6.1 from the backup, then made a "make 
clean" just in case, and then compiled it with:

   ./configure COMPILED_BY="Your name and address" --disable-io-restrictions

Just remember to install first the basic developer packages, and make sure 
to install libX11-devel or you will not get a display...


--
Jaime


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From: William Tracy
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 12 Nov 2007 14:52:06
Message: <4738aee6$1@news.povray.org>
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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>> There is no official POV-Ray 3.6 installed on this computer.
> 
> Okay, I guess I"m using the ubuntu repository version rather than the one
> from the povray site.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/graphics/povray-3.5

Ubuntu has no Povray 3.6 package, only 3.5.

Much as I love the Debian/Ubuntu package system, Povray is one program
that I don't use the Ubuntu package system for.

The Debian package for Povray (inherited by Ubuntu) has been a little
bit screwed up for a while. The old maintainer included an SSL patch
that was incompatible with Povray 3.6. If a 3.6 package were released
without the patch, the automatic update would screw up whatever users
depended on the patch.

I'm hoping that when 3.7 (with official SSL support) gets released, this
mess will go away.

- --
William Tracy
afi### [at] gmailcom -- wtr### [at] calpolyedu

You know you've been raytracing too long when you install voice
recognition software to use in your script editor and a month later find
yourself using a tape recorder to speak for you because your voice is shot.
    -- Ken Tyler
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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 12 Nov 2007 22:18:39
Message: <4739178e@news.povray.org>
William Tracy wrote:

> 
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/graphics/povray-3.5
> 
> Ubuntu has no Povray 3.6 package, only 3.5.


http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/graphics/povray-3.6


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 12 Nov 2007 22:23:51
Message: <473918c7@news.povray.org>
I guess I'm a little saddened that the suggestion is to do my own
compilation.  I didn't have to do this for the Windows version or for my
knoppix box.   Could there simply be a bug in ./install?


Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:

> Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>> Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> There is no official POV-Ray 3.6 installed on this computer.
>> 
>> Okay, I guess I"m using the ubuntu repository version rather than the one
>> from the povray site.  It is much more advisable to get it with a package
>> installer than to roll your own, unless you know what you're doing. 
>> After several years of linux tinkering, I still don't.
>> 
> 
> Greg, it's not that difficult nor dangerous to compile your own
> executable, at least with POV-Ray. I do it for all my computers since
> version 3.5. In fact I think that I never downloaded the binaries for 3.6,
> just the sources.
> 
> Casually, I just changed from Fedora Core 6 to Ubuntu 7.10, and I just
> restored /usr/local/src/povray-3.6.1 from the backup, then made a "make
> clean" just in case, and then compiled it with:
> 
>    ./configure COMPILED_BY="Your name and address"
>    --disable-io-restrictions
> 
> Just remember to install first the basic developer packages, and make sure
> to install libX11-devel or you will not get a display...
> 
> 
> --
> Jaime


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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 13 Nov 2007 09:24:56
Message: <4739b3b8$1@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> I guess I'm a little saddened that the suggestion is to do my own
> compilation.  I didn't have to do this for the Windows version or for my
> knoppix box.   Could there simply be a bug in ./install?

   In the MegaPOV install? No, the bug is almost certainly in the Debian 
version of POV-Ray, which surely installs files on non-standard places... 
that is, in places different than the official POV-Ray install. MegaPOV 
relies on these standard/official places, and I cannot see how the install 
script can cope with the infinite variations that packagers can do... :(

--
Jaime


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From: William Tracy
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 13 Nov 2007 15:29:25
Message: <473a0925$1@news.povray.org>
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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/graphics/povray-3.6

Wow, I am totally out of it, then.

- --
William Tracy
afi### [at] gmailcom -- wtr### [at] calpolyedu

You know you've been raytracing too long when you watch the Making of
Mist video to see what modeler they use.
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From: William Tracy
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 13 Nov 2007 15:35:42
Message: <473a0a9e$1@news.povray.org>
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Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>> I guess I'm a little saddened that the suggestion is to do my own
>> compilation.

You still don't need to compile yourself, just grab the tarball from
povray.org.

>   In the MegaPOV install? No, the bug is almost certainly in the Debian
> version of POV-Ray, which surely installs files on non-standard
> places... that is, in places different than the official POV-Ray
> install.

I wouldn't call it a bug, so much as the standard Povray installer not
quite conforming to the FHS.

What we really need is to have someone build a MegaPOV package for
Debian. Unfortunately, I don't foresee having free time to do it myself
within the next month or so. :-(

- --
William Tracy
afi### [at] gmailcom -- wtr### [at] calpolyedu

You know you've been raytracing too long when you watch the Making of
Mist video to see what modeler they use.
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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: False obstinance in linux installer?
Date: 13 Nov 2007 17:59:25
Message: <473a2c4d$1@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> William Tracy wrote:
> 
>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/graphics/povray-3.5
>>
>> Ubuntu has no Povray 3.6 package, only 3.5.
> 
> 
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/graphics/povray-3.6

That's possibly the problem, then. The Ubuntu package is putting povray
some place that megapov isn't able to find it.

You could build both povray and megapov from scratch, which is normally
as easy as ./configure, make, ./install. Or, you can check the options
for megapov's configure, and see if there is an option available that
will let you set the path to the povray executable.


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