Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to speed up the raytraced focal
blur by using similar methods to what was used with media.

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SamuelT <STB### [at] aolcom> wrote:
: Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to speed up the raytraced focal
: blur by using similar methods to what was used with media.

  It is done already. That's why you get that grainy focal blur.
  The only way I know to get non-grainy focal blur is to set variance to 0.

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Sorry, I didn't clarify my question. I meant is there a way to implement the
MegaPOV media types of sampling to focal blur. E.G. method 1, method 2

Warp wrote:

> SamuelT <STB### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> : Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to speed up the raytraced focal
> : blur by using similar methods to what was used with media.
>
>   It is done already. That's why you get that grainy focal blur.
>   The only way I know to get non-grainy focal blur is to set variance to 0.
>
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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SamuelT <STB### [at] aolcom> wrote:
: Sorry, I didn't clarify my question. I meant is there a way to implement the
: MegaPOV media types of sampling to focal blur. E.G. method 1, method 2

  Media and focal blur are different things.
  Perhaps comparing to antialiasing (which has 2 methods) could be better.
Still, I think the focal blur uses some kind of antialiasing method already.

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SamuelT wrote:
> 
> Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to speed up the raytraced focal
> blur by using similar methods to what was used with media.
> 

I believe something similar could be applied to focal blur. In theory.
The mechanism whould be more akin to adaptive antialiasing - like AA, focal blur
samples are distributed over an area, whereas media samples are distributed
along a single line.

Here are some thoughts (a.k.a. insomniac rambling):

The adaptive mechanism needs some initial set of samples, which it can then
start to compare and subdivide. Intervals for method 3 media, the pixel corners
for adaptive AA. If focal blur were to use adaptive sampling, the blur_samples
keyword should control this minimum value.
A suitable method is needed for distributing the samples, selecting the ones to
compare, and  It should not be too complex and slow, but it should give a
reasonably even distribution of samples.

Seemingly most straightforward is the system used in adaptive AA: take 4
samples, compare, take subsamples between them if necessary, repeat recursively.
One thing to consider is the greater dispersion of focal blur samples - only 2x2
initial samples might be inadequate. The blur_samples value could control
initial grid size, much like antialias_depth: blur_samples 5 would give a 5x5
initial grid. The process of sampling this grid is the equivalent of adaptive AA
sampling a 4x4 pixel image.
This method is not ideally suited for focal blur. Mapping distortions cause
results to be somewhat biased. This shouldn't have a severe effect though,
unless perhaps with extreme blurring. Some random jitter might help, too.

Another possibility would be to distribute the samples over a spherical surface.
This should eliminate any bias, since sample rays would have constant spacing.
But uniform coverage of a sphere is a bit tricky, as is sorting the samples into
sets for comparing and subdivision. Not sure if results would be worth the
effort.


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