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In article <3e986956$1@news.povray.org> , Roz <rzl### [at] netscape net> wrote:
> If I first try to go to http://news.povray.org/povray.unix
> the Welcome page comes up instead. Then if I click the Enter
> the Newsgroups button I can get in and the povray.unix one
> comes up. So Mozilla does seem to get it right at some point ;)
But that is exactly how it is supposed to work if you hadn't visited
before...
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> In article <3e98635f@news.povray.org> , Roz <rzl### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>
>
>>"Popular websites" is a very subjective statement but I really have
>>not run into problems with other sites. Perhaps you could provide
>>a URL for one of these popular sites that employes the same
>>technologies that http://news.povray.org uses when the Enter to
>>Groups button is clicked.
>
>
> amazon.com (shopping cart), yahoo.com (all registion based services),
> nytimes.com (registration to view articles), cnn.com (user tracking),
> ebay.com (all registion based services), etc, etc,...
I am probably the only one to have not done anything on ebay ;)
But the others I have been to and not had a problem.
-Roz
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> In article <3e986956$1@news.povray.org> , Roz <rzl### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>
>
>>If I first try to go to http://news.povray.org/povray.unix
>>the Welcome page comes up instead. Then if I click the Enter
>>the Newsgroups button I can get in and the povray.unix one
>>comes up. So Mozilla does seem to get it right at some point ;)
>
>
> But that is exactly how it is supposed to work if you hadn't visited
> before...
My original post in this thread was to see if I could duplicate the
behavior described by Gergely as follows:
> http://news.povray.org just throws me to the welcome/settings page
> every time, clicking the button at the bottom just reloads that page.
So naturally I went to http://news.povray.org in order to test it
and I did end up seeing the same looping behavior. It doesn't say
anywhere on there to try to go to a particular newsgroup first.
A natural progression for a new visitor would be something like
first going to http://www.povray.org, following the resources link
and then following the POV-Ray Newsgroups link. At the top of that
page it says :
Read-only access to these groups now is available via the web. See
http://news.povray.org/.
Some people may be drawn into starting there before clicking one of
specific newgroup links below. Perhaps that was what Gergely did
to get into the looping pattern in the first place. If you do go
that route, then you do end up in the looping pattern under
Mozilla (unless of course you've been there in the past and still
have the cookies set).
Personally I don't see this as a big issue but you may end up
with an occasional confused Mozilla user who is told about the
web interface at http://news.povray.org and ends up getting stuck
in a loop.
-Roz
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Roz wrote:
>My original post in this thread was to see if I could duplicate the
>behavior described by Gergely as follows:
>
> > http://news.povray.org just throws me to the welcome/settings page
> > every time, clicking the button at the bottom just reloads that page.
>
>So naturally I went to http://news.povray.org in order to test it
>and I did end up seeing the same looping behavior. It doesn't say
>anywhere on there to try to go to a particular newsgroup first.
I've reinstalled Mozilla to see if I can reproduce the problem with a fresh
install, because it was working well last time. Now I have the problem
again. Silly me! :) But the fact that it worked well last time means there
_is_ a solution.
>
>A natural progression for a new visitor would be something like
>first going to http://www.povray.org, following the resources link
>and then following the POV-Ray Newsgroups link. At the top of that
>page it says :
I don't think it's unnatural to start from http://news.povray.org . I always
do that and I don't think that makes me a pervert. :)
>Some people may be drawn into starting there before clicking one of
>specific newgroup links below. Perhaps that was what Gergely did
>to get into the looping pattern in the first place. If you do go
>that route, then you do end up in the looping pattern under
>Mozilla (unless of course you've been there in the past and still
>have the cookies set).
So starting with http://news.povray.org is where I went wrong?
>
>Personally I don't see this as a big issue but you may end up
>with an occasional confused Mozilla user who is told about the
>web interface at http://news.povray.org and ends up getting stuck
>in a loop.
Well, it's a bug in my opinion, and at least it got me annoyed several times
with several different mozilla versions and linux installs. Now I'm using
1.3 FYI.
Thorsten: the default cookie security setting for Mozilla is 'Enable all
cookies', and there don't seem to be any other relevant preferences. It's
not a config problem or a user error.
Gergely
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Gergely Vandor wrote:
> Roz wrote:
>
>>My original post in this thread was to see if I could duplicate the
>>behavior described by Gergely as follows:
>>
>>
>>>http://news.povray.org just throws me to the welcome/settings page
>>>every time, clicking the button at the bottom just reloads that page.
>>
>>So naturally I went to http://news.povray.org in order to test it
>>and I did end up seeing the same looping behavior. It doesn't say
>>anywhere on there to try to go to a particular newsgroup first.
>
>
> I've reinstalled Mozilla to see if I can reproduce the problem with a fresh
> install, because it was working well last time. Now I have the problem
> again. Silly me! :) But the fact that it worked well last time means there
> _is_ a solution.
It seems like once it gets the cookies setup that it wants setup, it
works fine to go directly to http://news.povray.org . But in order to
get it to behave that way you'll have to first go to one of
the specific newsgroups within it such as
http://news.povray.org/povray.unix . That'll still redirect you back to
the Welcome page but at least clicking the Enter Newsgroups button will
no longer loop back to the Welcome page.
>>A natural progression for a new visitor would be something like
>>first going to http://www.povray.org, following the resources link
>>and then following the POV-Ray Newsgroups link. At the top of that
>>page it says :
>
>
> I don't think it's unnatural to start from http://news.povray.org . I always
> do that and I don't think that makes me a pervert. :)
Starting at http://news.povray.org seems fine to me and I don't think
you're a pervert ;) I was only trying to point out to Thorsten that
even going from the POV-Ray home page, a person could end up in that
same loop.
>>Some people may be drawn into starting there before clicking one of
>>specific newgroup links below. Perhaps that was what Gergely did
>>to get into the looping pattern in the first place. If you do go
>>that route, then you do end up in the looping pattern under
>>Mozilla (unless of course you've been there in the past and still
>>have the cookies set).
>
>
> So starting with http://news.povray.org is where I went wrong?
With Mozilla, yes for some weird reason. Once the cookies get
set correctly then it'll be fine to go directly there.
-Roz
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In article <web.3e98b7ecb46b77c5b78e044d0@news.povray.org> , "Gergely
Vandor" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Thorsten: the default cookie security setting for Mozilla is 'Enable all
> cookies', and there don't seem to be any other relevant preferences. It's
> not a config problem or a user error.
Well, then it is a bug in Mozilla. So report it to them.
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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In article <3e98d0af$1@news.povray.org> , Roz <rzl### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Starting at http://news.povray.org seems fine to me and I don't think
> you're a pervert ;) I was only trying to point out to Thorsten that
> even going from the POV-Ray home page, a person could end up in that
> same loop.
If that person is using Mozialla, maybe. But we don't care for browsers so
defective even cookies won't work.
Thorsten
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e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
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In article <3e992296$1@news.povray.org> , "Thorsten Froehlich"
<tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> If that person is using Mozialla, maybe. But we don't care for browsers so
> defective even cookies won't work.
In fact, my guess would be it is any one of these bugs:
<http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=N
EW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=subs
tring&value0-0-0=http&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=ht
tp&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=http&field0-0-3=stat
us_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=http&field1-0-0=product&type1-0
-0=substring&value1-0-0=302&field1-0-1=component&type1-0-1=substring&value1-
0-1=302&field1-0-2=short_desc&type1-0-2=substring&value1-0-2=302&field1-0-3=
status_whiteboard&type1-0-3=substring&value1-0-3=302>
And no, this nonsensical URL was not my idea. You can also simply go to
<http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/> and search for "http 302" (without quotes).
Thorsten
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> In article <3e98d0af$1@news.povray.org> , Roz <rzl### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>
>
>>Starting at http://news.povray.org seems fine to me and I don't think
>>you're a pervert ;) I was only trying to point out to Thorsten that
>>even going from the POV-Ray home page, a person could end up in that
>>same loop.
>
>
> If that person is using Mozialla, maybe. But we don't care for browsers so
> defective even cookies won't work.
I have been saying all along the problem is with Mozilla, not the
site. Quit being so defensive Thorsten. A part of one of my earlier
posts that pertains to what you're responding to above is this:
"Personally I don't see this as a big issue but you may end up
with an occasional confused Mozilla user who is told about the
web interface at http://news.povray.org and ends up getting stuck
in a loop."
Note the operative word "Mozilla" in that? I'm not suggesting
the POV-Ray web site developers should do something about it.
I am only saying you may end up with a future post in here
regarding this problem. At which point you may feel free to
point out it's not your problem and not bother to help them
in any way.
I found a workaround for Gergely that should get the cookies
straightened out in Mozilla. Hopefully, it'll help him out.
-Roz
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> In article <3e992296$1@news.povray.org> , "Thorsten Froehlich"
> <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
>
>
>>If that person is using Mozialla, maybe. But we don't care for browsers so
>>defective even cookies won't work.
>
>
> In fact, my guess would be it is any one of these bugs:
>
> <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=N
> EW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=subs
> tring&value0-0-0=http&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=ht
> tp&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=http&field0-0-3=stat
> us_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=http&field1-0-0=product&type1-0
> -0=substring&value1-0-0=302&field1-0-1=component&type1-0-1=substring&value1-
> 0-1=302&field1-0-2=short_desc&type1-0-2=substring&value1-0-2=302&field1-0-3=
> status_whiteboard&type1-0-3=substring&value1-0-3=302>
>
> And no, this nonsensical URL was not my idea. You can also simply go to
> <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/> and search for "http 302" (without quotes).
Yes, that's "ONE BIG URL" ;) I did search bugzilla for this problem
but since I had no indication of "302" as a keyword from the povray
site, I didn't find anything helpful. None of the bug reports in the URL
you listed sheds much light on this problem but a few of them do
sound similar.
At this point I don't really care anymore because it's a small issue
in the cosmos of issues and I found a workaround so people can still
get the http://news.povray.org site to work in Mozilla should this
issue arise again.
If you took a step back and read through this thread again Thorsten
you'd see we've been arguing on the same side :P I've said it's
Mozilla and you've said it's Mozilla. Kind of amusing actually ;)
-Roz
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