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From: Kenneth
Subject: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 2 Jan 2010 18:45:00
Message: <web.4b3f93b1775b388c65f302820@news.povray.org>
Several POV users have recommended the (free) SharpConstruct software--a
zBrush-like modeller--for easily creating organic mesh shapes. I'm trying to
install the Windows version on my Win XP SP3 machine, but running into problems.

SharpConstruct seems to need *some* version of something called the gtk+ GUI
'runtime environment' package in order to run (similar to Inkscape and the Gimp,
I see--neither of which I've used.) Being new to this, I've downloaded what I
take to be the latest Windows version of gtk+, from SourceForge.net. But now,
when installing SharpConstruct, I get the message, "installation aborted--all
gtk+ versions found are older than 2.8".

Well, there *isn't* a '2.8' version of gtk+ AFAIK (unless one of its components
is so labelled)--the latest seems to be 2.16 or 2.18. So I don't understand the
message.

Wikipedia says that there *is* a v2.8 (and later) of 'gtk+2'--is that different
from gtk+?

Right now, I'm stuck...I don't know whether the problem is in SharpConstruct or
due to an incorrect version of gtk+.  Can anyone recommend the *specific* gtk+
or gtk+2 package that's needed, or tell me what I'm doing wrong?  Thanks!!

Ken


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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 2 Jan 2010 19:48:46
Message: <4b3fa31e$1@news.povray.org>
El 02/01/10 19:43, Kenneth escribió:

> Right now, I'm stuck...I don't know whether the problem is in
> SharpConstruct or due to an incorrect version of gtk+.  Can anyone
> recommend the *specific* gtk+ or gtk+2 package that's needed, or tell me
> what I'm doing wrong?  Thanks!!

   I think the program is not recognizing that your GTK version is newer than
2.8 (2.18 IS newer than 2.8). Considering SharpConstruct seems to have
stopped development on 2006, and that 2.8 was indeed released that year, I
think that's the case.

   One solution will be to install the obsolete 2.8 version from here:

   http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-win/files/Obsolete/

   But perhaps you can try the Sculptor on Blender, wich seems to be the same
as SharpConstruct and more, and it's developed by the same author:

   http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=83310

   Hope this helps...


-- 
Jaime Vives Piqueres

http://www.ignorancia.org


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 3 Jan 2010 17:35:00
Message: <web.4b40d43ad7af166a65f302820@news.povray.org>
Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:

>    I think the program is not recognizing that your GTK version is newer than
> 2.8 (2.18 IS newer than 2.8). Considering SharpConstruct seems to have
> stopped development on 2006, and that 2.8 was indeed released that year, I
> think that's the case.
>
>    One solution will be to install the obsolete 2.8 version from here:
>
>    http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-win/files/Obsolete/
>

Thanks, Jaime. I gave that a good try. Unfortunately, *every* 2.8.xxx legacy
version of GTK+ that I downloaded there produces either the same error message
in SharpConstruct as before, or a new one:

"SharpConstruct needs the GTK part from the 'glade for windows' project, but you
seem to have the GTK part from the 'GIMP for Windows' project, which won't work.
See http://sharp.3d.sourceforge.net.... (a URL link that no longer works.)"

I went looking for such a thing, but haven't yet found it. The SharpConstruct
download page offers no information or clue to this either.

I'm guessing that the original Linux(?) version of the program must have been
more 'robust' than the later Windows port...that is, all the parts were better
integrated.

Given this impasse, I may *have* to download the latest version of Blender, if I
want the features of SharpConstruct. I don't know, though--Blender has its own
steep learning curve, from what I hear!

Ken


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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 3 Jan 2010 17:53:49
Message: <4b40d9ad$1@news.povray.org>
El 03/01/10 18:31, Kenneth escribió:
> Jaime Vives Piqueres<jai### [at] ignoranciaorg>  wrote:
>
>> I think the program is not recognizing that your GTK version is newer
>> than 2.8 (2.18 IS newer than 2.8). Considering SharpConstruct seems to
>> have stopped development on 2006, and that 2.8 was indeed released that
>> year, I think that's the case.
>>
>> One solution will be to install the obsolete 2.8 version from here:
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-win/files/Obsolete/
>>
>
> Thanks, Jaime. I gave that a good try. Unfortunately, *every* 2.8.xxx
> legacy version of GTK+ that I downloaded there produces either the same
> error message in SharpConstruct as before, or a new one:
>
> "SharpConstruct needs the GTK part from the 'glade for windows' project,
> but you seem to have the GTK part from the 'GIMP for Windows' project,
> which won't work. See http://sharp.3d.sourceforge.net.... (a URL link
> that no longer works.)"

   Oops... then, perhaps installing glade for windows will work:

   http://glade.gnome.org/

> I'm guessing that the original Linux(?) version of the program must have
> been more 'robust' than the later Windows port...that is, all the parts
> were better integrated.

   No, it's just that Linux usually has already installed most of what is
needed for open source apps.

> Given this impasse, I may *have* to download the latest version of
> Blender, if I want the features of SharpConstruct. I don't know,
> though--Blender has its own steep learning curve, from what I hear!

   Well, seems more a case of "you love the interface or you hate it", and in
fact is a great program, so I can recommend to at least try it...



-- 
Jaime Vives Piqueres

http://www.ignorancia.org


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 4 Jan 2010 20:12:15
Message: <4b424b9f@news.povray.org>
Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:
> > I'm guessing that the original Linux(?) version of the program must have
> > been more 'robust' than the later Windows port...that is, all the parts
> > were better integrated.

>    No, it's just that Linux usually has already installed most of what is
> needed for open source apps.

  Most distros have some kind of online repository system which automatically
resolves dependencies and installs any libraries which a program might need.

  In Windows programs usually come with all the libraries they need, and are
installed if not already installed in the system (or kept locally in the
program's own installation directory). However, many Windows ports of Unix
programs follow the "you should have this library already" philosophy, which
is why you often get such a hassle (which doesn't usually happen in linux,
at least if you are installing from a repository; it can still happen if
you are installing it manually, though).

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: DaremoK3
Subject: Re: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 8 Feb 2010 20:15:00
Message: <web.4b706f83d7af166a8b67fc6f0@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> Several POV users have recommended the (free) SharpConstruct software--a
> zBrush-like modeller--for easily creating organic mesh shapes. I'm trying to
> install the Windows version on my Win XP SP3 machine, but running into problems.
>
> SharpConstruct seems to need *some* version of something called the gtk+ GUI
> 'runtime environment' package in order to run (similar to Inkscape and the Gimp,
> I see--neither of which I've used.) Being new to this, I've downloaded what I
> take to be the latest Windows version of gtk+, from SourceForge.net. But now,
> when installing SharpConstruct, I get the message, "installation aborted--all
> gtk+ versions found are older than 2.8".
>
> Well, there *isn't* a '2.8' version of gtk+ AFAIK (unless one of its components
> is so labelled)--the latest seems to be 2.16 or 2.18. So I don't understand the
> message.
>
> Wikipedia says that there *is* a v2.8 (and later) of 'gtk+2'--is that different
> from gtk+?
>
> Right now, I'm stuck...I don't know whether the problem is in SharpConstruct or
> due to an incorrect version of gtk+.  Can anyone recommend the *specific* gtk+
> or gtk+2 package that's needed, or tell me what I'm doing wrong?  Thanks!!
>
> Ken


Hi Ken,

If you are still following this message thread, and are still in need of the
correct dependencies to make Sharp Construct work on MS Windows, I might be able
to help you out.

I stumbled upon this thread via Google whilst trying to find the dependencies
myself for a reinstall of Sharp Construct on my system (Windows XP SP2).  I have
all the original needed files, and it worked perfectly when I had installed
years ago, but I could not get my "gtkmm-runtime-2.8.4-1" to reinstall, so I was
searching for a replacement.

According to the directions you need to install "GTK" first, then "gtkmm", and
then Sharp Construct.  Well, after 2 days of searching the net, and trying to
get gtkmm to install (to no avail), I decided to try something on my own.  I
uninstalled GTK from it's default location (C:\), and installed gtkmm first,
then GTK, and then Sharp Construct, all to Program Files in C drive (in their
own files/locations).  I now have a perfect working copy of Sharp Construct on
my system.

It is a shame that this great application is no longer supported (to install).
Yes, you can still download the application, but you can no longer find the
necessary dependencies that are needed to make it work on Windows.  And, yes, I
know it is implemented in Blender (why no longer supported), which I use (Sharp
Construct) in there as well, but sometimes people just want to open a simple app
to do a simple job without having to open a complete software suite (Blender).

The author should have saved/secured all necessary files to be downloaded from
the same place (sourceforge) for future users, and past users needing reinstall.
 The net has truly become just like "Costco".  You better get it when you first
see it, because tomorrow it might (will) be gone.

Anyways, I digest.  If you would like, I can email you the needed dependencies
so you can have a working version as well.

Take care...
Ken (my name as well)


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From: ethin
Subject: Re: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 18 Mar 2010 20:10:00
Message: <web.4ba28769d7af166a1e4924e30@news.povray.org>
"DaremoK3" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "Kenneth" <kdw### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> > Several POV users have recommended the (free) SharpConstruct software--a
> > zBrush-like modeller--for easily creating organic mesh shapes. I'm trying to
> > install the Windows version on my Win XP SP3 machine, but running into problems.
> >
> > SharpConstruct seems to need *some* version of something called the gtk+ GUI
> > 'runtime environment' package in order to run (similar to Inkscape and the Gimp,
> > I see--neither of which I've used.) Being new to this, I've downloaded what I
> > take to be the latest Windows version of gtk+, from SourceForge.net. But now,
> > when installing SharpConstruct, I get the message, "installation aborted--all
> > gtk+ versions found are older than 2.8".
> >
> > Well, there *isn't* a '2.8' version of gtk+ AFAIK (unless one of its components
> > is so labelled)--the latest seems to be 2.16 or 2.18. So I don't understand the
> > message.
> >
> > Wikipedia says that there *is* a v2.8 (and later) of 'gtk+2'--is that different
> > from gtk+?
> >
> > Right now, I'm stuck...I don't know whether the problem is in SharpConstruct or
> > due to an incorrect version of gtk+.  Can anyone recommend the *specific* gtk+
> > or gtk+2 package that's needed, or tell me what I'm doing wrong?  Thanks!!
> >
> > Ken
>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> If you are still following this message thread, and are still in need of the
> correct dependencies to make Sharp Construct work on MS Windows, I might be able
> to help you out.
>
> I stumbled upon this thread via Google whilst trying to find the dependencies
> myself for a reinstall of Sharp Construct on my system (Windows XP SP2).  I have
> all the original needed files, and it worked perfectly when I had installed
> years ago, but I could not get my "gtkmm-runtime-2.8.4-1" to reinstall, so I was
> searching for a replacement.
>
> According to the directions you need to install "GTK" first, then "gtkmm", and
> then Sharp Construct.  Well, after 2 days of searching the net, and trying to
> get gtkmm to install (to no avail), I decided to try something on my own.  I
> uninstalled GTK from it's default location (C:\), and installed gtkmm first,
> then GTK, and then Sharp Construct, all to Program Files in C drive (in their
> own files/locations).  I now have a perfect working copy of Sharp Construct on
> my system.
>
> It is a shame that this great application is no longer supported (to install).
> Yes, you can still download the application, but you can no longer find the
> necessary dependencies that are needed to make it work on Windows.  And, yes, I
> know it is implemented in Blender (why no longer supported), which I use (Sharp
> Construct) in there as well, but sometimes people just want to open a simple app
> to do a simple job without having to open a complete software suite (Blender).
>
> The author should have saved/secured all necessary files to be downloaded from
> the same place (sourceforge) for future users, and past users needing reinstall.
>  The net has truly become just like "Costco".  You better get it when you first
> see it, because tomorrow it might (will) be gone.
>
> Anyways, I digest.  If you would like, I can email you the needed dependencies
> so you can have a working version as well.
>
> Take care...
> Ken (my name as well)


I'm having problems trying to install Sharp Construct as well. After a very
frustrating hour I manged to locate the right files to get it to install but it
won't run, I get an error that it can't fined a required file need to start.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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From: DaremoK3
Subject: Re: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 26 Mar 2010 23:20:01
Message: <web.4bad404ad7af166af2408e8c0@news.povray.org>
"ethin" <eth### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

> I'm having problems trying to install Sharp Construct as well. After a very
> frustrating hour I manged to locate the right files to get it to install but it
> won't run, I get an error that it can't fined a required file need to start.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Ethin,

If you downloaded dependencies from any site relating to the "Gimp" draw/paint
application, even if they matched in description, they will not work.  The
author did something proprietary to his copies, and stated on his original site
only his version dependencies will work.

I will send an email to you regarding this response (and to original poster),
and if you like I can send you the required dependencies.

Take care all...
Ken


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: SharpConstruct with Windows & gtk+--installation problem
Date: 5 Apr 2010 18:05:01
Message: <web.4bba24edd7af166a65f302820@news.povray.org>
"DaremoK3" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

> If you are still following this message thread, and are still in need of the
> correct dependencies to make Sharp Construct work on MS Windows, I might be able
> to help you out.

> According to the directions you need to install "GTK" first, then "gtkmm", and
> then Sharp Construct.  Well, after 2 days of searching the net, and trying to
> get gtkmm to install (to no avail), I decided to try something on my own.  I
> uninstalled GTK from it's default location (C:\), and installed gtkmm first,
> then GTK, and then Sharp Construct, all to Program Files in C drive (in their
> own files/locations).  I now have a perfect working copy of Sharp Construct on
> my system.

> Anyways, I digest.  If you would like, I can email you the needed dependencies
> so you can have a working version as well.

Thank you, Ken! The dependencies you sent to me via e-mail worked like a charm,
and I now have SharpConstruct on my PC.

You mentioned that gtkmm should be installed first. What I found was that it
would not load as the first item--an error message came up saying, "GTK must be
installed first."  So I reversed the order of the two, and it still worked. I
think the real 'key' is putting everything into "Program Files in the C drive
(in their own files/locations)", as you mentioned, rather than just into C:\
(which is where the dependencies want to be installed by default.)

BTW, another very similar (and also free) app that everyone might want to try
out is Sculptris. It doesn't depend on GTK/gtkmm to work.

Thanks again!

Ken


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