> I try to prevent undue stress by only going looking at other peoples stuff
> when I'm in the mood to see some neat things once again.  However I'm
still
> learning to close the web browser before an attack of manic-depression
comes
> on.
> In all sincerity, I turn off the TV or at least change channels if I sense
too
> much 3D "goodness" being shown (more difficult to leave a theatre) or I
fear
> I'll become a permanent mindless spectator instead of any kind of
participant.
>
> Bob


hahahah.. good answer!

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ryan constantine <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
: but for anything complicated, a modeller is the only
: way to go.

  Well, it depends on your definition of "complicated".
  For complicated generation of objects (trees, grass, galaxies...) modellers
are not very good unless they specifically support those.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Phead <sco### [at] d0gznetnospam> wrote:
: Hey, Im using Moray, and Ive noticed alot of talk about Pov code. Does
: anyone just use Povray for modelling? Isn't that pretty hard to visualize?

  It depends. I seldom use moray, although I have made something with it.
  For example this image I made completely with moray:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Schoolfood.jpg

  Usually I code everything by hand. An example:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Class.jpg

  In most of my best images I make some objects with a modeller (moray or
spatch or a model made by someone else) and the rest by hand.
  For example in this image:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Spacedog_3.jpg

the sorcerer is made with moray, his hand is made with blob sculptor and
everything else is made by hand (or automatically created by povray, like
the heightfield).

  Sometimes I also use some include files (mostly made by Chris Colefax) as
well. For example in this image:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Starship.jpg

the galaxy background is created with Chris' galaxy include file while the
spaceship is made by hand.

  In this image:

http://www.students.tut.fi/~warp/pics/Spacedog_6.jpg

the head of the character was made with spatch, the background was created
with Chris' lens flare include, and everything else is made by hand.

  I seldom do anything 100% with moray (or any other modeller). Only when
I need some (usually organic-looking) object that's too difficult to make
by hand I use some modeller to make that object.

  How do I "visualize" the scene when coding? Well, I imagine the coordinate
system in my head and figure out the coordinates of a certain point in space
by looking at this 3D space in my head. The I make a test render and see
how much did it go wrong and fine-tune the values.
  It's not that hard. Requires just a bit of practice.

  Why I do this? Because I'm a coder and I like the freedom povray gives to
me when making a scene. I can easily make a while-loop to create several
copies of the object or use some other specialized algorithms to do what
I want. With a modeller I can't usually do this.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:394cefef@news.povray.org...


Those are some really nice images and good examples of using/not using a
modeler. Thanks!

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by complicated i mean a single model that can't be put together with
functions, macros, or randomization.  trees, grass etc. are complicated,
but i don't think of them as the same kind of models.  to me they are
more like environmental constructs (which make the surroundings of where
a model goes).  clouds and skies are another example of things that are
complicated, but don't fit into my personal view of a model.  of course,
anyone that can make any of the above items realistically, has praise
from me.

Warp wrote:
> 
> ryan constantine <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> : but for anything complicated, a modeller is the only
> : way to go.
> 
>   Well, it depends on your definition of "complicated".
>   For complicated generation of objects (trees, grass, galaxies...) modellers
> are not very good unless they specifically support those.
> 
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Phead wrote in message <394b9bea$1@news.povray.org>...
>Hey, Im using Moray, and Ive noticed alot of talk about Pov code. Does
>anyone just use Povray for modelling? Isn't that pretty hard to visualize?
>


I tend to model primarily in POV switching to sPatch or Moray only for
odder shapes (generally made of bezier patches). none of my
scenes have been done completely in a modeller and objects made
outside of povray are generally in the minority. As for how I visualize, I
find a graph book and a sharp pencil are essential.

Gail
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I have experimented with modellers. I tend to build my complicated objects
in POV-Ray as CSGs or Blobs. On occasion I will use SPatch. I have used
Moray v3.X and I don't get along with it very well. When it comes to
landscapes I use an old commercial program called VistaPro. It makes awsome
heightfields. It is a program I have played with since before I was a
Pov-Ray user.

Phead wrote in message <394b9bea$1@news.povray.org>...
>Hey, Im using Moray, and Ive noticed alot of talk about Pov code. Does
>anyone just use Povray for modelling? Isn't that pretty hard to visualize?
>
>

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I couldn't agree more Ken!  Moray generates Pov code so everything you can
do in Moray can be done in Pov code alone.

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Steven Jones <ste### [at] tsncc> wrote:
: I couldn't agree more Ken!  Moray generates Pov code so everything you can
: do in Moray can be done in Pov code alone.

  Only in theory.
  I would like to see you making a complicated model of a human head made with
bicubic patches by hand.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Point taken.  I use Rhino for stuff like that.

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