Wow... erm, OK, well maybe I won't post my question here... Man, you guys
are scary! :-|

Er, OK, well since I'm here and I've _already_ posted, I might as well use
this post now I've started it...

Just been reading a book about "the role of CVS in opensource development".
Anyway, I was just wondering loosely how work on the POV-Ray source code is
organised. Do you folks use something like CVS/RCS/etc? Or do you have some
other method? Just curiouse.

(Oh yeah, and I was going to ask some question about SDL parsing, but
obviously I wouldn't even begin to understand the answer!)

Thanks.
Andrew.

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"Andrew Coppin v2" <and### [at] btinernetcom> wrote in
news:40084e3d@news.povray.org: 

> Do you folks use something like
> CVS/RCS/etc? Or do you have some other method? Just curiouse.
> 

I can't speak for the POV coders, but I have been using CVS for both code 
and SDL.  What follows is a windows centric approach.

For a cvs client I use ToroiseCVS http://www.tortoisecvs.org/index.shtml

For a cvs server I use cvsnt http://www.cvsnt.org/  

For a web frontend I use Viewcvs http://viewcvs.sourceforge.net/

A good resource for these tools is 
http://www.devguy.com/fp/cfgmgmt/cvs/cvs_admin_nt.htm

Take a look at the IMP cvs repository for using cvs with SDL
http://www.imp.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/

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In article <40084e3d@news.povray.org> , "Andrew Coppin v2" 
<and### [at] btinernetcom> wrote:

> Just been reading a book about "the role of CVS in opensource development".
> Anyway, I was just wondering loosely how work on the POV-Ray source code is
> organised. Do you folks use something like CVS/RCS/etc? Or do you have some
> other method? Just curiouse.

The POV-Team uses Perforce, a commercial source code management system.
While CVS might be nice for a small project, it lacks many features
mandatory for professional development (just compare CVS and Perforce
feature lists).  Note that this is not the exclusive opinion of the
POV-Team.  Another very popular example is the Linux kernel, whose source
code is managed with the commercial source code management system BitKeeper
rather than CVS.

    Thorsten

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:57:11 +0100, "Thorsten Froehlich"
<tho### [at] trfde> wrote:

>The POV-Team uses Perforce, a commercial source code management system.
>...Another very popular example is the Linux kernel, whose source
>code is managed with the commercial source code management system BitKeeper
>rather than CVS.

What do you think, how does Perforce compare to BitKeeper for medium-
to large-sized commercial projects feature-, useability- and
price-wise? IOW, if the Team were offered donated copies of BitKeeper
as well as Perforce, which one would you choose? :)


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
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In article <arbi00t3asdfc5hljm3vvl8b0b7kne4k3j@4ax.com> , Peter Popov 
<pet### [at] vipbg>  wrote:

>>The POV-Team uses Perforce, a commercial source code management system.
>>...Another very popular example is the Linux kernel, whose source
>>code is managed with the commercial source code management system BitKeeper
>>rather than CVS.
>
> What do you think, how does Perforce compare to BitKeeper for medium-
> to large-sized commercial projects feature-, useability- and
> price-wise? IOW, if the Team were offered donated copies of BitKeeper
> as well as Perforce, which one would you choose? :)

I can only speak for myself...

I would choose Perforce over BitKeeper because of the way BitMover
(BitMover, Inc. is the company behind BitKeeper) has a website with a lot of
FUD and there is no transparent pricing information at all either.  In
general, I am very skeptical of companies engaging in such pricing and
information practices and if there is another choice I will avoid them if
possible at all.

    Thorsten

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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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I wonder why CVS seems to be the only (free) choice for a versioning
system which people ever talk about.
  We use PRCS at work, and it works quite ok. (I'm not saying it's better
than CVS, I'm just wondering why people only talk about CVS, as if it
was the only choice.)

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>   I wonder why CVS seems to be the only (free) choice for a versioning
> system which people ever talk about.
>   We use PRCS at work, and it works quite ok. (I'm not saying it's better
> than CVS, I'm just wondering why people only talk about CVS, as if it
> was the only choice.)

Mmm... well, Microsoft Word is about the only work processor that you ever
hear anybody talking about. It's not that it's the only one there is (or the
best one there is), it's just the only one most people have heard of.

(I emphasise: *most* people...)

But anyway, for me, I was looking at SourceForge and trying to figure out,
like, what it IS. They had a link to a document about CVS, so I read it.
(I've tried to use CVS before, and it's a tad puzzling.)

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>   I wonder why CVS seems to be the only (free) choice for a versioning
> system which people ever talk about.

I've tried Subversion (http://subversion.tigris.org/) and it seems to work
nicely .. it's a replacement for cvs (people used to cvs should have no
problem to switch) fixing some of its weakness (see their web site for a
list of features)

M

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> The POV-Team uses Perforce, a commercial source code management system.
> While CVS might be nice for a small project, it lacks many features
> mandatory for professional development (just compare CVS and Perforce
> feature lists).

OK, fair enough...

I presume the source code download on the website is for v3.5, as released.
Is the current development source availible only to "official" developers?
(Not that it makes any difference to me - I wouldn't understand the source
anyway! - I'm just curiouse...)

Thanks.
Andrew.

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In article <400c4968$1@news.povray.org> , "Andrew Coppin v2" 
<and### [at] btinernetcom> wrote:

> I presume the source code download on the website is for v3.5, as released.
> Is the current development source availible only to "official" developers?

Indeed, source code access is by invitation only.

    Thorsten

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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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