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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:52:23 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> The book, from what I've heard of it, uses the idea of a clockwork as
>> its premise - something so mechanically complex that it must have been
>> created rather than evolved or grown.
>
> Well, mechanical devices don't evolve because they're not alive. It's
> very difficult to have darwinian evolution without birth and death and
> genetics and such.
>
> But if you set up an ecosystem with gears and hands and weights and
> rachets and things like that, and apply selection pressure for accurate
> watches, suddenly you get pretty accurate watches evolving.
Essentially that video you pointed me at. Fascinating stuff, of course -
but because a watch is an inanimate object, it can't evolve, and that's
the point those who think the book I referenced is a good explanation for
God's existence do. I happen to disagree with them.
Jim
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:56:32 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> Therefore there is no Hell.
>
> Yep. And all the carvings on the cathedral where Jesus is guesturing to
> Satan (who surprisingly looks *just* like Loki, Pan, and Bacchus) to
> drag the unbelievers off in chains to hell? That's just decoration.
Well, "artists interpretation" and through much of Europe, I've heard,
the designs were approached from a "hey, this might look cool" idea.
And where they weren't, it was more of a "scare people into submission".
IMHO, organized religion isn't about God, it's about controlling people.
Jim
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:02:27 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I don't know that it does - is there evidence/proof to suggest that it
>> does?
>
> Do you know who Abraham Lincoln was? George Washington? Adolph Hitler?
> Julius Ceaser?
What's that got to do with souls?
Jim
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:00:42 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Huh, and here I thought he wiped out most of the planet with a great
>> flood....
>
> Actually, he quite demanded an awful lot of blood sacrifices. They were
> the only way to cleanse sin before Jesus came along. And of course, once
> you get into *human* sacrifice, and even diecide, then *finally* he's
> satisfied to just take your soul and not your life.
Yes, I had been thinking of some of those other stories - there was one
story I recall where God told a father to sacrifice his son (literally),
and at the last minute effectively said "Nah, I was only kidding; I
wanted to see how far you'd go". If that's not sadism, I don't know what
is.
Jim
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:21:43 -0500, Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:23:34 -0500, nemesis wrote:
>>
>>> following the Adamsian thinking, it seems indeed He is God! Because
>>> He's trying His best to hide evidence of His existence by denying it
>>> in a newsgroups! :))
>>
>> Damn. I've been found out. ;-)
>>
>> Jim
>
> Thou art God, drink water and be well.
>
> There, now we've officially derailed to the topic of the thread started
> to distract us from this one.
LOL, I think that's a first for me - the being God, not the derailment of
the thread. If I was being silly, I'd say that I saw that one coming. <G>
Jim
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Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
> If someone is doing something they
> genuinely think is helpful to others, how is it determined that it's a
> ticket to heaven or hell?
It's determined by who you ask help to. Offering a chicken to Satan for him to
"help" me is not helpful at all
> For some reason I all the sudden have the urge to play the song "Highway
> to hell" ... ;)
just play "Stairway to Heaven" backwards...
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Cause, like, being omnicient and all, he didn't foresee that.
Who knows? Maybe free will undermines God's control and omniscience and allows
Devil to tempt men and get them away from God.
Perhaps He did know the consequences of free will but gave it to us anyway so
that we'd eventually be like Him rather than mere soulless toys.
who knows? do you?
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1072638.ece
So, prayers were comissioned to pray for people they did not know and patients
were not told they were being prayed for and participating in a study by a
bunch of skeptics in a campaign to ridicule religion?
prayers cannot be bought anymore than a place in Heaven...
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nemesis wrote:
> who knows? do you?
Yes.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:02:27 -0800, Darren New wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I don't know that it does - is there evidence/proof to suggest that it
>>> does?
>> Do you know who Abraham Lincoln was? George Washington? Adolph Hitler?
>> Julius Ceaser?
>
> What's that got to do with souls?
I'll let you think about it first, for a while. Ask yourself what a
soul is, and what makes a difference between a live and a dead person.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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