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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 22 May 2010 02:54:36
Message: <4bf77fac$1@news.povray.org>
TC wrote:

> I remember spending $50 on a handheld version of "Space Invaders" (battery 
> powered LED game). A lot of money back then. And then I spent even more on 
> batteries ;-) 

One year I got a computer game for my birthday.

Only thing is... no computer. The "screen" actually just projects a 
repeating loop from a reel of film inside the machine. There's a control 
to move your ship from side to side, but really it just moves the 
viewpoint a bit. Enemies don't actually disappear when you shoot them, 
but hitting them does make a small mechanical rev counter count up. (I 
presume the machine has something like a music box pin barrel to tell it 
where the enemies are.) And there's a difficulty level, which just 
adjusts the power to the electric motor scrolling the film.

Yes. A 100% mechanical computer game. With better graphics than the 
actual computers of the time, by the way. (And probably much cheaper and 
less likely to get busted by small children!) But damn, the thing took 4 
big, chunky batteries!

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 22 May 2010 03:06:35
Message: <4bf7827b$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Be aware that it actually works.

Yes, thank you Google for making the entire office think I'm playing 
computer games just because I wanted to look up the command line 
switches for msiexec. :-P

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 22 May 2010 10:29:15
Message: <4bf7ea3b@news.povray.org>
Am 22.05.2010 07:01, schrieb Warp:

>    I don't understand all this "30-year old computers were able to present
> slick user interfaces fast and without delays, yet even today we are
> expecting things to take time to load and interfaces to lag" mentality,
> which doesn't seem to be exclusive to Andrew.
...
>    Drawing the graphics and playing sounds was not the major problem back
> then because there was very little to draw or play. Loading data wasn't
> either, because there was very little to load. The majority of the work
> went into optimizing the game logic so that the game wouldn't lag because
> the CPU was so slow.

... and not to forget that back then, what little software code arcade 
games had used to be stored in ROM, so just about the fastest persistent 
memory you can get; even today, if you want to beat that speed of old 
times with modern off-the-shelf equipment you'll need to grab some SSD, 
at least when random accesses need to be made.

Also remember that those machines took some seconds to boot as well; 
they just had the advantage that they were usually turned on already 
when the user approached them.

Not to mention the lags between levels, which weren't only there to 
inform the user about their progress, but also re-initialize a few 
variables.


Now leave the arcade game behind, and in order to get some more coins to 
feed to the machine, go to work at some place where you'd use some 
/real/ computer.

You'd probably be glad that you didn't have to literally /carry/ your 
input and output to and from the server room anymore, ever since a few 
years ago you got your own CRT terminal, and therefore you'd be pretty 
forgiving to the fact that the execution time of some programs would 
still be measured in minutes or even hours.

Note that back in those days, mass storage I/O would be the biggest 
bottleneck for most applications.

Now guess which computer subsystems have seen the smallest performance 
increase since then...


Let's face it: Comparing 1980's arcade games with 2010's business 
applications is like comparing apples with bananas.

Look at 1980's arcade games, and you'll notice that you see the very 
same responsiveness in 2010's games (even the lag between levels is 
virtually the same ;-)), except that the games have grown immensely in 
complexity.

Look at 1980's business applications, and you'll notice that they, too, 
have grown immensely in complexity - but even worse in responsiveness as 
today's stuff.

Want to compare 1980's word processing with today's?

1980:
You'd type in your documents in a text-only terminal.
Fonts would be limited to those built into whatever printer you'd be 
using; depending on the printing technology, often even the font size 
would be fixed. Text decoration would usually be limited to bold, 
italics and/or underlined.
To see what the document would really look like, you'd have to print it, 
and walk to the printer room to get your draft printout. WYSIWYG? Heck, 
the best you could even /dream/ of was a preview functionality that 
showed you where that particular printer brand would insert line breaks.
If you found that a particularly long word would create particularly 
ugly line breaks, you were lucky if your word processor featured soft 
hyphens, so you could manually give hints where words could be broken.

(Not to forget that if you ran into problems, you'd search for the paper 
manual (which must be /somewhere/ around here, 'cause I know I had it in 
my hands a week ago...), and pray that the buzzwords you can think of 
happen to be listed in the index.)

2010:
You type in your documents in your very own personal supercomputer 
(which, by the way, is pretty bored 99% of the time).
You can choose between hundreds of more-or less exotic fully scalable 
fonts (some even including a full set of glyphs for each and every 
language you could possibly imagine), in plenty of more-or-less useful 
variations: Bold, italics, underlined, double underlined, 
strike-through, small caps, font color, background, borders...
To see what the document would look like, all you need to do is look at 
the display as you type. Nowadays you even get WYSIWYG feedback while 
pondering what font or text decoration to choose.
You don't even know what a soft hyphen is, because you never need them 
anyway, as your word processor features a full dictionary to decide 
where to break words /as you type/ - and check not only your spelling, 
but even your grammar while you type (and bore your computer to death).

(Not to forget that if you run into problems and can't find anything 
suitable in the inbuilt help index, you might try again with a full-text 
search. Or even do a full-text search on a worldwide repository of 
documentations, tutorials, user group discussions, public diaries and 
what-have-you-not. On the fly. With sophisticated sorting of the results 
by probable relevance.)

(And all the while your media player keeps pumping studio quality music 
(CD quality? What the * is a CD?) out of the inbuilt HiFi Stereo amp 
with integrated 10-band equalizer... and still your machine is mostly 
busy with being bored...)


Poor responsiveness? Well, I don't think so.

Instead, I think there is some "maximum acceptable lag", which software 
"fills out" by adding features and "richer" feedback while processing 
and I/O speed increase. And I think that acceptable lag is even slowly 
decreasing in business applications. (It has always been pretty low for 
games as it seems.)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 22 May 2010 11:42:48
Message: <4bf7fb78$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 22 May 2010 08:06:33 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Darren New wrote:
>> Be aware that it actually works.
> 
> Yes, thank you Google for making the entire office think I'm playing
> computer games just because I wanted to look up the command line
> switches for msiexec. :-P

There's a reason to have the sound turned off on work PCs. :-)

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 22 May 2010 12:34:57
Message: <4bf807b1$1@news.povray.org>
>> Yes, thank you Google for making the entire office think I'm playing
>> computer games just because I wanted to look up the command line
>> switches for msiexec. :-P
> 
> There's a reason to have the sound turned off on work PCs. :-)

One wonders why Dell even put speakers in in the first place. I mean, 
how many other PCs have a built-in speaker? (Except for the CMOS beep 
thing.)

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 22 May 2010 13:14:35
Message: <4bf810fb$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> Yes, thank you Google for making the entire office think I'm playing
>>> computer games just because I wanted to look up the command line
>>> switches for msiexec. :-P
>> 
>> There's a reason to have the sound turned off on work PCs. :-)
> 
> One wonders why Dell even put speakers in in the first place. I mean,
> how many other PCs have a built-in speaker? (Except for the CMOS beep
> thing.)

Ah but the CMOS beep thing can be quite useful...

http://man.cx/beep


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 22 May 2010 13:28:03
Message: <4bf81423$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Ah but the CMOS beep thing can be quite useful...
> 
> http://man.cx/beep

http://tinyurl.com/3xsbqfl

1 up'd.

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 22 May 2010 22:05:13
Message: <4bf88d59$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 22 May 2010 17:34:56 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> One wonders why Dell even put speakers in in the first place.

Convenience, most likely.

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 24 May 2010 03:49:35
Message: <4bfa2f8f$1@news.povray.org>
How many days did that one actually run for? It seemed to last a heck of 
a long time...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Check out google's logo today
Date: 24 May 2010 11:20:52
Message: <4bfa9954$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 24 May 2010 08:49:35 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> How many days did that one actually run for? It seemed to last a heck of
> a long time...

According to the news reports, they left it up for 2 days.

Jim


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