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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 23 Apr 2010 04:11:34
Message: <4bd15636$1@news.povray.org>
>>> Question: What the HELL is GLaDOS?! o_O
>> Genetic Lifeform and Disk Operating System.
>>
>> Otherwise known as "that psychotic computer from Portal".
> 
> OK, that explains it (I think... I won't ask what Portal is).

Portal? You know, the multi-award-winning computer game that took the 
world by storm a few years back?

OK, well maybe it didn't, but if you've ever heard anybody on the 
Internet suggest that "the cake is a lie", this is why.

> The answer then is 456.2 YHz.

Haha. I had to actually look that up.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 23 Apr 2010 04:13:58
Message: <4bd156c6$1@news.povray.org>
>>   Not if it's highly parallel.
> 
> isn't the estimated clock frequency of a human brain in the order of 100Hz?

I heard it was 200 MHz...

Then again, when talking about the human brain, the phrase "massively 
parallel" suddenly becomes a massive understatement.

(And then there's the fact that the brain seems to be analogue rather 
than digital. The number of pulses per second represents the intensity 
of the signal. So the number of pulses per second is not directly 
related to processing speed in the way you might imagine...)


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 23 Apr 2010 05:27:49
Message: <4bd16815$1@news.povray.org>
Am 22.04.2010 20:01, schrieb Orchid XP v8:
>>> Question: What the HELL is the clock speed of GLaDOS?! o_O
>>
>> That's easy: At least 1 THz.
>
> At 1 THz, 1 picosecond would only be a single clock cycle. You would
> imagine that self-awareness would require billions of clock cycles.
>
> Isn't there a fundamental "plank time" or something?

There is indeed such a thing (not too surprisingly it's the time it 
takes for light to travel the planck length), being 5.39something * 
10^-44 s (or so the corresponding Wikipedia article claims).

Even a computer running at some billion THz would still be over 20 
orders of magnitude away from that limit.

OTOH, it might be interesting to hear that 1 ps after being turned on, 
at most 0.027 mm^3 of GLaDOS could actually be self-aware, due to 
maximum signal propagation speed...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 23 Apr 2010 05:46:42
Message: <4bd16c82$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:

> Even a computer running at some billion THz would still be over 20 
> orders of magnitude away from that limit.

Ah, OK.

> OTOH, it might be interesting to hear that 1 ps after being turned on, 
> at most 0.027 mm^3 of GLaDOS could actually be self-aware, due to 
> maximum signal propagation speed...

Hahaha! Yeah, there's that too. :-D

Than again, this is the company that gave us the 'Heimlich 
Counter-Maneuver', so...


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 23 Apr 2010 12:12:35
Message: <4bd1c6f3@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> OTOH, it might be interesting to hear that 1 ps after being turned on, 
> at most 0.027 mm^3 of GLaDOS could actually be self-aware, due to 
> maximum signal propagation speed...

Ah, so you know that transfer between portals is limited by the speed of 
light? Where'd you see *that* fact?  ;-)

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Linux: Now bringing the quality and usability of
   open source desktop apps to your personal electronics.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 23 Apr 2010 14:09:03
Message: <4bd1e23f$1@news.povray.org>
Am 23.04.2010 18:12, schrieb Darren New:
> clipka wrote:
>> OTOH, it might be interesting to hear that 1 ps after being turned on,
>> at most 0.027 mm^3 of GLaDOS could actually be self-aware, due to
>> maximum signal propagation speed...
>
> Ah, so you know that transfer between portals is limited by the speed of
> light? Where'd you see *that* fact? ;-)

Granted, given that portal technology spits in the face of one or two 
paradoxa anyway, that might of course be a possibility ;-)


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 23 Apr 2010 14:42:46
Message: <4BD1EA23.6090002@gmail.com>
On 23-4-2010 1:29, somebody wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:4bd0ac06$1@news.povray.org...
>>>>>> How do I get people to pay me to do fun things?
>>>>>   Become a male stripper.
>>>> No no - things that are fun *for me*! :-P
> 
>>> I though you liked to dance.
> 
>> Sometimes I wander if I should hang out somewhere _else_ on the
> Internet...
> 
> Don't we all wonder if you should wander...


This was a test if you would be able to restrain yourself. You failed.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 23 Apr 2010 14:46:54
Message: <4BD1EB1B.6090607@gmail.com>
On 23-4-2010 18:12, Darren New wrote:
> clipka wrote:
>> OTOH, it might be interesting to hear that 1 ps after being turned on, 
>> at most 0.027 mm^3 of GLaDOS could actually be self-aware, due to 
>> maximum signal propagation speed...
> 
> Ah, so you know that transfer between portals is limited by the speed of 
> light? Where'd you see *that* fact?  ;-)

I haven't looked at the precise implementation of these portals, but 
that limitation is only for the effective distance between the portals, 
not the 3D distance in real space. Or at least that is for the usual 
design of portals.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 26 Apr 2010 04:38:17
Message: <4bd550f9@news.povray.org>
>> isn't the estimated clock frequency of a human brain in the order of 
>> 100Hz?
> 
> I heard it was 200 MHz...

This resource estimates it at 200 Hz, not 200 MHz:

http://www.ualberta.ca/~chrisw/howfast.html

I doubt it's out by a factor of a million. So it seems my numbers were 
wrong.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Too much thinking
Date: 14 Jun 2010 04:36:04
Message: <4c15e9f4$1@news.povray.org>
>> Don't we all wonder if you should wander...
> 
> This was a test if you would be able to restrain yourself. You failed.

At Apeture Science, we believe that if at first you don't suceed, you 
fail, and the test will be terminated.


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