Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:20:25 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> 
>> I'm pretty sure that's not part of Yast, tho.
> 
> Yep, it is - firewall configuration, masquerading.  That should do it.

Cool, thanks!  Now that you mention it, I remember hearing that term.

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Darren New wrote:
> The thing I refused to explain (such as finding text in document 
> comments but not document content) isn't trivial in Linux, either.

For example, say you wanted a chart of the top ten memory usage processes, 
as a pretty chart, in a word processing document.

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/matthijs/C-40-and-beyond-by-Anders-Hejlsberg/

Go to about 46:25 there. Look at the listing. This says "take the processes 
running from the kernel, sort by descending size, put the first ten in 
Excel, tell Excel to draw a chart of it, copy the chart onto the clipboard, 
and paste it into Word."   And it's about as many lines long as those number 
of sentences.  *That* is what I'm talking about in terms of complex files. 
And you can do that from every scripting and compiled language on Windows 
that supports COM, and I've yet to find one that didn't.

As you can see, grepping thru a directory of excel spreadsheets for ones 
that use both "sin" and "cos" in the same formula would be a pretty easy 
program to write, if you needed something like that.

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:38:11 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:20:25 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure that's not part of Yast, tho.
>> 
>> Yep, it is - firewall configuration, masquerading.  That should do it.
> 
> Cool, thanks!  Now that you mention it, I remember hearing that term.

I do wish all the vendors (not just Linux vendors, but all vendors who 
deal in this stuff) would decide on one term to use for this, because it 
is quite confusing. :-)

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
> Note that all the interactions with explorer are via COM.  If you wanted
> to change how Gnome or KDE displays that sort of thing, out of curiosity,
> what
> would you do?  (Serious question there.)  Would you have to change source
> code, or is there some sort of interface like COM or REXX or something to
> allow access?

In Dolphin (the default file browser for KDE), the columns seem to be very 
hardcoded, and it has no plugin system. It doesn't even have built-in 
features for eg. showing image size in pixels.


I don't use GNOME. However Nautilus seems to have a full plugin system and 
it looks pretty powerful:
http://library.gnome.org/devel/platform-overview/stable/nautilus.html.en
http://library.gnome.org/devel/libnautilus-extension/stable/

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> would decide on one term to use for this, 

They did. The problem is that the term they picked is "NAT with DHCP".

Or "Network address translation with dynamic host control protocol", which 
isn't really much better.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> I don't use GNOME. However Nautilus seems to have a full plugin system and 
> it looks pretty powerful:
> http://library.gnome.org/devel/platform-overview/stable/nautilus.html.en
> http://library.gnome.org/devel/libnautilus-extension/stable/

Looks like it does much the same thing as Windows, except without so much 
documentation. ;-)

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:36:29 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> would decide on one term to use for this,
> 
> They did. The problem is that the term they picked is "NAT with DHCP".
> 
> Or "Network address translation with dynamic host control protocol",
> which isn't really much better.

LOL

Point. :-)

Jim

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On 04/21/10 14:02, Darren New wrote:
> On the rare occasion I wanted exact byte counts, I used Properties. I
> find it more annoying that Linux doesn't put thousands-separators in
> numbers, so when it shows me the size of a 20G file, it takes me lots of
> staring to figure it out. :-)

	Umm...I've said this to you lots of times: Use Midnight Commander
(although for this problem, there are lots of simple solutions).


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On 04/21/10 07:19, Warp wrote:
>   (Yeah yeah, I know, you can do everything you can do in Linux and far more.
> There are all these fancy scripting languages and whatnot, which you might be
> able to use if you install something and something else. Nothing really
> consistent, and always a pain.)

	(aka the "Darren Disclaimer")

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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 04/21/10 14:02, Darren New wrote:
>> On the rare occasion I wanted exact byte counts, I used Properties. I
>> find it more annoying that Linux doesn't put thousands-separators in
>> numbers, so when it shows me the size of a 20G file, it takes me lots of
>> staring to figure it out. :-)
> 
> 	Umm...I've said this to you lots of times: Use Midnight Commander

I don't want to learn a whole new way of doign things. When I care, I just 
do the ls again with -h.

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