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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Electrical insanity
Date: 22 Apr 2010 05:37:44
Message: <4bd018e8@news.povray.org>
>> (This probably explains why every single poster got a different answer.)
> 
> I got 0.625 ohm by building a Ybus matrix (basically tells you the 
> conductance between each pair of nodes) and inverting it.

Right.

Scott: 0.625 Ohms
pyroman: 1.3141 Ohms
hthall: 167294/195327 Ohms ( ~0.856 Ohms)
phlip: 25265/33783 Ohms ( ~0.747861 Ohms)
mu-zak: 0.77 Ohms
EngPhys: 0.758 Ohms
Kirby: 0.7479 Ohms

So most people agree it's roughly 1 Ohm, but there's still a fair bit of 
variation there...


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Electrical insanity
Date: 22 Apr 2010 05:43:47
Message: <4bd01a53$1@news.povray.org>
>> I got 0.625 ohm by building a Ybus matrix (basically tells you the 
>> conductance between each pair of nodes) and inverting it.
>
> Right.
>
> Scott: 0.625 Ohms
> pyroman: 1.3141 Ohms
> hthall: 167294/195327 Ohms ( ~0.856 Ohms)
> phlip: 25265/33783 Ohms ( ~0.747861 Ohms)
> mu-zak: 0.77 Ohms
> EngPhys: 0.758 Ohms
> Kirby: 0.7479 Ohms
>
> So most people agree it's roughly 1 Ohm, but there's still a fair bit of 
> variation there...

:-) I never said I got the right answer, I just told you the simple way to 
calculate it (rather than trying to solve 100 simultaneous equations)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Electrical insanity
Date: 22 Apr 2010 05:47:18
Message: <4bd01b26$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> Scott: 0.625 Ohms
> pyroman: 1.3141 Ohms
> hthall: 167294/195327 Ohms ( ~0.856 Ohms)
> phlip: 25265/33783 Ohms ( ~0.747861 Ohms)
> mu-zak: 0.77 Ohms
> EngPhys: 0.758 Ohms
> Kirby: 0.7479 Ohms

Oh, we've got more:

fewfriesshort: 265 mOhm, revised to 1.97 Ohms.


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Electrical insanity
Date: 22 Apr 2010 07:46:09
Message: <4bd03701$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> http://www.xkcd.com/730/
> 
> Possibly the most alarming part of this whole thing is the number of 
> forum users who have managed to compute the actual resistance of the 
> tangle of resistors near the middle.

The computations are not that difficult.  For any triangular 
configuration of resistors there is a Y-shaped configuration that has 
the same resistance, between any two of the three corners, as the 
triangular configuration.  Repeated substitution, and combination of 
resistors in series and parallel, allows the circuit to be simplified.

Regards,
John


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Electrical insanity
Date: 22 Apr 2010 08:14:56
Message: <4bd03dc0$1@news.povray.org>
> The computations are not that difficult.  For any triangular 
> configuration of resistors there is a Y-shaped configuration that has 
> the same resistance, between any two of the three corners, as the 
> triangular configuration.  Repeated substitution, and combination of 
> resistors in series and parallel, allows the circuit to be simplified.

That's a lot of scope for errors, if you're doing it by hand...


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Electrical insanity
Date: 22 Apr 2010 09:21:10
Message: <4bd04d46$1@news.povray.org>
>> I got 0.625 ohm by building a Ybus matrix (basically tells you the 
>> conductance between each pair of nodes) and inverting it.
>
> Right.
>
> Scott: 0.625 Ohms
> pyroman: 1.3141 Ohms
> hthall: 167294/195327 Ohms ( ~0.856 Ohms)
> phlip: 25265/33783 Ohms ( ~0.747861 Ohms)
> mu-zak: 0.77 Ohms
> EngPhys: 0.758 Ohms
> Kirby: 0.7479 Ohms
>
> So most people agree it's roughly 1 Ohm, but there's still a fair bit of 
> variation there...

OK so I should have checked my 14x14 matrix before asking Excel to invert 
it, apparently the numerical error is quite high in Excel's matrix inverse 
function (and this matrix is quite badly formulated).  Solving it with a 
Gauss solver I wrote before (probably for some random Project Euler problem) 
I get 0.7479 ohms, which is the same as Kirby.


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