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From: Clarence1898
Subject: Re: All bow to the mighty Python
Date: 22 Apr 2010 17:25:01
Message: <web.4bd0be45de6f3691f0b197720@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Really? Wow. I thought people stopped making and using mainframes
> >> about 20 years ago...
> >
> > Actually, they're suing open source mainframe emulator authors lately.
>
> OK, wow. I had no idea that such things even existed. o_O

Hercules is an open source product that emulates the IBM mainframe instruction
set.  You can find it here:

http://www.hercules-390.org/

It will run all of IBM's operating systems from the original DOS and OS/360 to
the
current z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and zLinux.  As I understand it all the OS's up to
MVS 3.8 are in public domain and you can run them without a license.
Everything since requires a license to use.  As long as Hercules remained a
essentially a hobbyist program IBM didn't pay much attention to it.
TurboHercules, a commercial firm, started promoting Herules as a way
for companys to offload some work from their mainframe.

http://www.turbohercules.com/

Since this could impact IBM revenues, they are using patent infringement
arguments to stop the use of the Hercules software in a commercial environment.


Isaac


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: All bow to the mighty Python
Date: 22 Apr 2010 17:36:29
Message: <4bd0c15d@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:27:18 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>> 
>>> Of course, the europeans are slapping IBM around with anti-trust suits
>>> for not letting IBM zOS run on anything but the mainframes it was
>>> written for.
>> 
>> Wuh? How does *that* work?! o_O
>> 
>> 
> GIYF.

Is this the thing with the mainframe emulator?  Or something else?

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: All bow to the mighty Python
Date: 23 Apr 2010 04:09:38
Message: <4bd155c2$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>>>> if I was to release some library it would be a matter of seconds to 
>>>> generate the documentation file.
>>>
>>> And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have textbooks about 
>>> libraries.
>>
>> That and the fact that, like I said, sometimes you need an overview to 
>> describe how the pieces fit together before you can properly 
>> understand the nitty gritty of individual function descriptions and so 
>> on.
> 
> That's exactly what I was referring to. :-)

Oh, right. I thought you meant the ease with which somebody can drop an 
1-line comment into a source file, autogenerate some documentation and 
claim that the library is now "documented".


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: All bow to the mighty Python
Date: 23 Apr 2010 12:09:43
Message: <4bd1c647$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Oh, right. I thought you meant the ease with which somebody can drop an 
> 1-line comment into a source file, autogenerate some documentation and 
> claim that the library is now "documented".

In most cases, you can take out the "one line comment" and have a more 
accurate statement.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Linux: Now bringing the quality and usability of
   open source desktop apps to your personal electronics.


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