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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 20 Apr 2010 04:02:39
Message: <4bcd5f9f@news.povray.org>
Le_Forgeron wrote:

> It might be building a cross reference/multi dimensional access: great
> for quick read access later... terrible in write mode, especially if the
> algorithm used is silly (like O(x^N) or O(exp(N))...)

The only way an index algorithm could be exponential-time is if it's 
trying to "sort" the list of entries by exhaustively trying every 
possible transposition until it finds the correct one. Even the very 
worst sorting algorithms are only N^2 time.

> Basic tests with a small number of entries displayed no issue.... it
> just does not scale to production the size of your company!

6,000 entries is hardly "large". Indeed, if you have much less than 
6,000 entries to manage, you barely need special-purpose software to 
manage it.

Then again, given that this software appears to just store names and 
addresses, you'd think somebody could knock up something in MS Access in 
about 20 seconds flat which would do the same job. (Which begs the 
question... WHY HAVEN'T THEY?!?!)

> (indexing by name, firstname, addresses, any silly idea... using a
> bubble sort on files)
> 
> It might also be a very sophisticated paging system, with some entries
> per page: when a page get filled, you move all the other pages and
> redistribute the entries (using some patricia tree with extended key
> length..) of the current page between the old and a new one.... one
> entry at a time, with initial packet unsorted... or worse: in
> pathological order.

It's entirely possible that sorted order might be the worse possible 
case. ;-)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 20 Apr 2010 11:22:32
Message: <4bcdc6b8$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> question... WHY HAVEN'T THEY?!?!)

They have. It's called Exchange. It's the killer office app that keeps 
everyone from switching over to desktop Linux even in shops where there are 
millions of Linux servers.

Why aren't *you* using this?

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Linux: Now bringing the quality and usability of
   open source desktop apps to your personal electronics.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 20 Apr 2010 11:25:06
Message: <4bcdc752$1@news.povray.org>
>> question... WHY HAVEN'T THEY?!?!)
> 
> They have. It's called Exchange. It's the killer office app that keeps 
> everyone from switching over to desktop Linux even in shops where there 
> are millions of Linux servers.
> 
> Why aren't *you* using this?

We are.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 20 Apr 2010 12:15:12
Message: <4bcdd310$1@news.povray.org>
> They have. It's called Exchange. It's the killer office app that keeps 
> everyone from switching over to desktop Linux even in shops where there 
> are millions of Linux servers.
>
> Why aren't *you* using this?

For some reason my company thinks it is better to use a web-based address 
book with all sorts of restrictions (seriously, you cannot copy&paste or 
print-screen while it is showing!) rather than the purpose-built 
Exchange-based address book.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 20 Apr 2010 16:51:31
Message: <4bce13d3@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
> purpose-built Exchange-based address book.

... that also has a web interface. :-)

I've seen it done better, but usually not. Qualcomm, for example, has the 
"ph" program that shows you the person's photo, how to get to their office 
from yours, etc.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Linux: Now bringing the quality and usability of
   open source desktop apps to your personal electronics.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 21 Apr 2010 10:47:53
Message: <4bcf1019$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>> question... WHY HAVEN'T THEY?!?!)
>>
>> They have. It's called Exchange. It's the killer office app that keeps 
>> everyone from switching over to desktop Linux even in shops where 
>> there are millions of Linux servers.
>>
>> Why aren't *you* using this?
> 
> We are.

All of which still begs the question... If we have Exchange, why am I 
still getting asked to use this other piece of crap?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 21 Apr 2010 11:31:33
Message: <4bcf1a55@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> All of which still begs the question...

No it doesn't. :-)

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Linux: Now bringing the quality and usability of
   open source desktop apps to your personal electronics.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 21 Apr 2010 14:13:46
Message: <4bcf405a$1@news.povray.org>
>> All of which still begs the question...
> 
> No it doesn't. :-)

...

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 21 Apr 2010 15:14:05
Message: <4bcf4e7d$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> All of which still begs the question...
>>
>> No it doesn't. :-)
> 
> ...
> 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question

Here's a hint. If you follow the expression "Begs the question" with a 
question rather than an answer, you're doing it wrong.  "Begs the question" 
means you're providing an answer that doesn't answer the question.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Linux: Now bringing the quality and usability of
   open source desktop apps to your personal electronics.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Pessimisation
Date: 21 Apr 2010 19:12:43
Message: <4bcf866b$1@news.povray.org>
Am 21.04.2010 21:14, schrieb Darren New:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question#Modern_usage


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